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Kermit power

28,674 posts

214 months

Saturday 10th August 2019
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El stovey said:
Just a win against England and Wales will be the first side above the all blacks since 2009.
That just seems wrong somehow, given that Wales haven't beaten the All Blacks in 25 tests and 66 years!

snake_oil

2,039 posts

76 months

Saturday 10th August 2019
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Actually we are above them now at least until the England game tomorrow!

Above us only sky... cool


JerseyS2000

379 posts

219 months

Sunday 11th August 2019
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crikey - not the first half i was expecting!

c’mon England!

JonChalk

6,469 posts

111 months

Sunday 11th August 2019
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JerseyS2000 said:
crikey - not the first half i was expecting!

c’mon England!
Get ready for a Calcutta Cup-esque second half.

schmalex

13,616 posts

207 months

Sunday 11th August 2019
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England are looking very handy indeed.

Smollet

10,609 posts

191 months

Sunday 11th August 2019
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schmalex said:
England are looking very handy indeed.
Indeed but not convinced of Daly @15 though.

JonChalk

6,469 posts

111 months

Sunday 11th August 2019
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JonChalk said:
JerseyS2000 said:
crikey - not the first half i was expecting!

c’mon England!
Get ready for a Calcutta Cup-esque second half.
How wrong was I? (thankfully)

ellroy

7,037 posts

226 months

Sunday 11th August 2019
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snake_oil said:
Actually we are above them now at least until the England game tomorrow!

Above us only sky... cool
No, the rankings come out on Monday so you’ve never, not once been world number one.

Sorry about that.

Trigbert

124 posts

131 months

Sunday 11th August 2019
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Good performance by England which has to be said fielded pretty much a 2nd 15. I thought we'd lose against that Wales team tbh. But fortunately we didn't so lots of positives.
Some interesting selections ahead for EJ ahead of tomorrows team announcement with some late entries maybe!
Lewis Ludlum had an excellent first cap (great emotion at the anthem too). Tom Curry brilliant 30 mins. Looks great depth (if unexperienced) at flanker then depending who keeps fit.
Willi Heinz on the plane imo
Anthony Watson had a sharp game after all his time out
Just need to wrap Billy in cotton wool til September please.

Sure Wales will be better at their gaff on Sat, but Gatland got to be worried about tiring out their 1st 15 before the real show starts.
PS, still a long way to WC2019 but had a few glasses of red so apologies if I might be wearing my rose tinted glasses this evening smile

Evanivitch

20,125 posts

123 months

Sunday 11th August 2019
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Trigbert said:
Sure Wales will be better at their gaff on Sat, but Gatland got to be worried about tiring out their 1st 15 before the real show starts.
PS, still a long way to WC2019 but had a few glasses of red so apologies if I might be wearing my rose tinted glasses this evening smile
Garland's pre-tournament plans are well tried and tested. He slaughters them. Pushes players to their physical limits and then recovers them just in time for the start of the big matches.

Wales weren't rested before today, and it shows. But today was just another Beasting session for them ahead of the WC.

Greenie

1,830 posts

242 months

Sunday 11th August 2019
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Agree, Wales look very flat and frankly poor. Don’t read too much into that game will be different at WC. Biggest negative was Anscombe’s injury.

Lots of positives for England. JJ and Watson looks sharp to add needed experience back in the squad. Curry was v good-injury didn’t look too bad. Ford played and kicked nicely. Billy was top drawer-if he stays fit and in form England can beat anyone on their day.

Next week will be interesting. I assume Eddie will play more 1st team and Gatts will play some more bench players.

schmalex

13,616 posts

207 months

Sunday 11th August 2019
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Fingers crossed that Anscombe just jarred his knee. He was looking very handy Indeed.

McGee_22

6,727 posts

180 months

Sunday 11th August 2019
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Is it just me (it could all be in my head) but did Wales always look dangerous when they had their chances, whereas England looked a little fortunate when they had some of theirs?

Granted there were some great highlights for an England showreel but also some real worries when they were on the back foot - that Welsh solo try from the halfway line scrum was disturbingly easy...

The physicality of the game at International is now almost unbelieveable - there were some huge hits and collisions there today - the team lists for a weeks time could be interesting.

schmalex

13,616 posts

207 months

Sunday 11th August 2019
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I’d disagree. To my eyes, Wales looked stagnant and lacklustre. The breakaway try was good individual skill that caught Vunipola napping. Other than that, they really didn’t look threatening at all.

The Mad Monk

10,474 posts

118 months

Monday 12th August 2019
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Wales looked poor, and performed badly.

The best player yesterday on the Welsh team is an Englishman. George North.

Derek Smith

45,686 posts

249 months

Monday 12th August 2019
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schmalex said:
I’d disagree. To my eyes, Wales looked stagnant and lacklustre. The breakaway try was good individual skill that caught Vunipola napping. Other than that, they really didn’t look threatening at all.
I could not resist sending a supportive email to a Welsh mate. He had it coming after the comments to me after their Grand Slam. I got a 'Yes, but we broke through your line at will'.

It was good to see a fast-flowing match, with the England side apparently not worrying about an occasional try against them. The ref seemed inclined to let things go a bit. That was good.

Wales were poor at times though. Defensively they seemed to lack confidence (and for good reason as it turned out) with an extra man coming in, 'just in case' it seemed.

Some good counter-rucking at times. I like to see that.

That overthrow was excruciatingly embarrassing. Still, in my day an opportunistic hooker was . . . well, he wasn't.

My opinion at half time was that the Welsh lacked commitment, the one thing they always bring to Twickenham. I saw nothing in the second half to make me change my mind.

An enjoyable match, but could have done with a bit more buzz from the Welsh.

An all round good showing from the England 2nd XV. They took their chances to shine. I thought we'd lose but by a small margin. Promises well for the future. Our strength in depth must be the envy of other UK/Ireland teams.


Evanivitch

20,125 posts

123 months

Monday 12th August 2019
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The Mad Monk said:
Wales looked poor, and performed badly.

The best player yesterday on the Welsh team is an Englishman. George North.
People in glass houses ..

The Mad Monk

10,474 posts

118 months

Monday 12th August 2019
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Evanivitch said:
The Mad Monk said:
Wales looked poor, and performed badly.

The best player yesterday on the Welsh team is an Englishman. George North.
People in glass houses ..
How many Welshmen in the England side?

If, on a wider level, you feel that you should only play for the country in which you are born - with a few specialist exceptions - then I agree with you.

prand

5,916 posts

197 months

Monday 12th August 2019
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The Mad Monk said:
How many Welshmen in the England side?
Does it really matter Mad Monk? That post about George North is really scraping the banter barrel. So George North could have qualified for England yet chose Wales. This is hardly surprising as his mum is Welsh and he moved to Wales when he was two and spent all his lifetime growing up and playing rugby in Wales. A real stretch to say he's English.

Plus I'd pick a couple of other Welsh players ahead of North from Saturday's performance anyway. Anscombe looked good but got injured, plus Davies ran and took his try well. North went over from 1 yard for his try, and I don't feel game a team-leading performance.



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Evanivitch

20,125 posts

123 months

Monday 12th August 2019
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The Mad Monk said:
Evanivitch said:
The Mad Monk said:
Wales looked poor, and performed badly.

The best player yesterday on the Welsh team is an Englishman. George North.
People in glass houses ..
How many Welshmen in the England side?

If, on a wider level, you feel that you should only play for the country in which you are born - with a few specialist exceptions - then I agree with you.
I don't believe that at all.

But given that Billy Vunipola (and his brothers) could have played for several other countries, seems a strange stone to throw.