General rugby thread

[Welshbeef]

A shame England played as they did - if that’s the case it’s £15 or less for tickets


Now look at Ire v Wal a boat load better but still not a true test in the sense.

I’ve a thing about rugby ticket prices they are a farce and beyond the each of so many fans. Then add in travel some food drinks programme merchandise and suddenly taking the wife 3 young kids and yourself to the game is actually £600++ territory.
Think I’ll watch from the comfort of our home or if necessary 5 mins walk down the local pub

[The Mad Monk]

Welshbeef said:

Now look at Ire v Wal a boat load better but still not a true test in the sense.

I’ve a thing about rugby ticket prices they are a farce and beyond the each of so many fans. Then add in travel some food drinks programme merchandise and suddenly taking the wife 3 young kids and yourself to the game is actually £600++ territory.
Think I’ll watch from the comfort of our home or if necessary 5 mins walk down the local pub

I quite agree about ticket prices. I simply won't pay the money.

Why don't you watch from the comfort of your friendly local rugby club?

[Zirconia]

Ticket prices at Principality have put me right off going there, the cost and then the chance of getting one before they appear on the secondary ticketing web sites sold through touts/scammers.
Apart from I don't really like the place. Atmosphere OK not for 60 or 70 a ticket do I want to suffer the place, East vs West is a good afternoon there for 25 notes or so. Far rather on the screen at home, have they sorted out free to air yet? Didn't like the way it was sounding.

[Welshbeef]

Zirconia said:

Ticket prices at Principality have put me right off going there, the cost and then the chance of getting one before they appear on the secondary ticketing web sites sold through touts/scammers.
Apart from I don't really like the place. Atmosphere OK not for 60 or 70 a ticket do I want to suffer the place, East vs West is a good afternoon there for 25 notes or so. Far rather on the screen at home, have they sorted out free to air yet? Didn't like the way it was sounding.

It will not be free to air again - too much £ in the game now hence 6Nations is split BBC and ITV

[mikal83]

Ire v Wales, Great match.

[The Mad Monk]

mikal83 said:

Ire v Wales, Great match.

I thought it was a dreadful game.

I bet The All Blacks, if they watched it were sniggering all the way through.

Still, I don't any of the Southern Hemisphere nations were worried by anything they saw in the NH warm up games. Not one little bit.

[Welshbeef]

What do fellow rugby fans think about Patchell?
3x HIA/concussions in a year.... should he be allowed to play or wait the IRB and medically recommended break to reduce any brain damage

[phil_cardiff]

Welshbeef said:

What do fellow rugby fans think about Patchell?
3x HIA/concussions in a year.... should he be allowed to play or wait the IRB and medically recommended break to reduce any brain damage

Shouldn't play again for a very long time, if at all imo. You have to wonder about the long term brain health of North and Halfpenny too.

[Welshbeef]

phil_cardiff said:

Shouldn't play again for a very long time, if at all imo. You have to wonder about the long term brain health of North and Halfpenny too.

I’ve no idea why scrum caps are not standard kit for the whole team.
They might look silly and get hot - who cares if you all wear them you all look the same.

Not as good as a helmet but it has to be superior to nothing.



1/2p and North and so many others.
I think the diagnosis is CTA which has no current cure.

Our primary school doesn’t allow headering a football as the brain is still developing.

[irocfan]

Welshbeef said:

I’ve no idea why scrum caps are not standard kit for the whole team.
They might look silly and get hot - who cares if you all wear them you all look the same.

Not as good as a helmet but it has to be superior to nothing.



1/2p and North and so many others.
I think the diagnosis is CTA which has no current cure.

Our primary school doesn’t allow headering a football as the brain is still developing.

The problem with scrumcaps is it can lead to a false sense of security and people will go in harder or lead with their head.

[snake_oil]

irocfan said:

The problem with scrumcaps is it can lead to a false sense of security and people will go in harder or lead with their head.

That's like saying bikers go faster because they wear helmets.

[768]

It needs proper research (maybe it's been done for all I know).

[XCP]

snake_oil said:

irocfan said:

The problem with scrumcaps is it can lead to a false sense of security and people will go in harder or lead with their head.

That's like saying bikers go faster because they wear helmets.

No. You wear a bike helmet in case you fall off, which is a worse case scenario, which hopefully will never happen. It is a certainty that you will get a blow to the head in Rugby at some stage.

[The Mad Monk]

Welshbeef said:

I’ve no idea why scrum caps are not standard kit for the whole team.
They might look silly and get hot - who cares if you all wear them you all look the same.

Not as good as a helmet but it has to be superior to nothing.

I recently attended a seminar presented by Dr Simon Kemp, whose title is something like Director of Medicine for the RFU. He said scrump caps will protect your head from abrasions and prevent your ears from flapping about. They give NO protection again concussive injuries. Hold on, I will see if I can find the link (Haven't we done all this before?)

Ear you go, Saint

https://www.englandrugby.com/participation/playing...

[lemmingjames]

768 said:

It needs proper research (maybe it's been done for all I know).

If your interested, have a look at the research conducted for American Football helmets.
or go here;
https://www.helmet.beam.vt.edu/

[Kermit power]

The Mad Monk said:

I recently attended a seminar presented by Dr Simon Kemp, whose title is something like Director of Medicine for the RFU. He said scrump caps will protect your head from abrasions and prevent your ears from flapping about. They give NO protection again concussive injuries. Hold on, I will see if I can find the link (Haven't we done all this before?)

Ear you go, Saint

https://www.englandrugby.com/participation/playing...

Thanks for that. A reminder that I need to complete the youth coaching module later!

For a scrumcap to make any significant contribution to preventing concussion, I think it would have to be much squishier and thicker than it is. Whilst the force of the impact will of course have a contributing factor to the level of concussion, it's not down to the thing hitting the outside of the head, it's down to the brain hitting the inside of the head. As such, the scrumcap would have to gradually slow the head down to have any significant beneficial effect.

[768]

lemmingjames said:

768 said:

It needs proper research (maybe it's been done for all I know).

If your interested, have a look at the research conducted for American Football helmets.
or go here;
https://www.helmet.beam.vt.edu/

Thanks. From a quick look they seem to have (soccer, whatever that is) scrum caps listed, some having better ratings than others for protecting against concussion.

I'll have to dig into it later, but it looks as though the scores suggest the top ones do better than some helmets, I'm not sure if that makes sense to me or not but I guess the devil's in the detail of the formula they use (and of course then how accurate that formula is as a predictive measure).

[lemmingjames]

768 said:

Thanks. From a quick look they seem to have (soccer, whatever that is) scrum caps listed, some having better ratings than others for protecting against concussion.

I'll have to dig into it later, but it looks as though the scores suggest the top ones do better than some helmets, I'm not sure if that makes sense to me or not but I guess the devil's in the detail of the formula they use (and of course then how accurate that formula is as a predictive measure).

When i got mine (Schutt Vengence Pro 2 or something, got 5* and was class leader at the time), i researched into the testing and basically Schutt said it was a load of bks really and its easy to make a helmet to pass the 5* rating. They said they only did it as mum's where worried about their sons in high school so had to produce one. This was back in 2016 so youd assume studies and research into it have progressed since as they love a claim in America.

Though i must say, this one is better than the one i had at uni but people still get knocked out/concussion through them.

Have a research into MIPS helmets as well

Edit - have a look at the flag football helmets as they are effectively scrum caps - they dont wear shoulder pads for their games, then check out legends football league on youtube to see what they wear

Edited by lemmingjames on Tuesday 10th September 13:55

[The Mad Monk]

lemmingjames said:

768 said:

It needs proper research (maybe it's been done for all I know).

If your interested, have a look at the research conducted for American Football helmets.
or go here;
https://www.helmet.beam.vt.edu/

Part of the notes of the seminar I referred to in my post above:-

Quote
"The longer-term effects of concussion could include thinking/memory problems or neurodegenerative problems such as mild cognitive impairment or Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy (CTE).
Simon (Kemp) is currently involved in a cohort study (along with UCL and the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine) which has involved examining 143 former England players aged 53 or over in order to tease out what the long-term effects of concussion may have been. It is being run together with a same age cohort of non-rugby players.
Before the introduction of the Head Injury Assessment (HIA) the average time to diagnose whether or not a player may have concussion was 64 seconds. The HIA introduced a five minute assessment period (off he field), which has since been increased to 10 minutes. This includes looking for observable signs of concussion, the use of Maddock’s questions), video review, symptom evaluation and cognitive screening (being able to repeat at least 10 words in any order to test short term and longer term memory). Before the start of the season, players are assessed so that their baseline can be measured. So assessments are based on this baseline information. These days there is even an app that will flag up where problems arise when compared with that baseline information.
With the University of Birmingham, Simon is also involved in a study examining saliva from concussed players. This involves looking for bio-markers. Evidence suggests that brain cell injuries from concussion means the brain sends out different proteins that get into the saliva. To date, results have shown concussion with 92% accuracy. It could mean that, in the future, saliva tests could form part of the HIA.

End quote.

[JonChalk]

Controversial opinion incoming:

England's dropped and most selfish Full-back still says he's best in the country:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/49666971

Mike Brown insists he's the best full-back and doesn't want to talk about why he might have been (was) dropped.

My personal opinion of his sticky paws aside (he couldn't let the ball leave his hands if his life depended on it!), is he the best full-back eligible to play for England?