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Some other questions:
1. Should Saracens players sue the club for the financial mis-management which is going to affect their careers? Given that a) some Sarries players are going to have to go, and b) all the other Prem clubs will already have plans up to either the cap or their own budget constraints, some players are going to find their careers limited by Sarries cheating.
2. Should Saracens still be allowed to compete in Europe? Their cheating is potentially affecting the chances of other clubs getting through to knock out rounds, so their progression this afternoon (unless R92 buck their ideas up) will almost certainly see another Prem or Pro14 team unable to progress.
1. Should Saracens players sue the club for the financial mis-management which is going to affect their careers? Given that a) some Sarries players are going to have to go, and b) all the other Prem clubs will already have plans up to either the cap or their own budget constraints, some players are going to find their careers limited by Sarries cheating.
2. Should Saracens still be allowed to compete in Europe? Their cheating is potentially affecting the chances of other clubs getting through to knock out rounds, so their progression this afternoon (unless R92 buck their ideas up) will almost certainly see another Prem or Pro14 team unable to progress.
So Leinster will be playing Sarries in April. Not sure whether they are now akin to a wounded animal fighting for longer-term European participation, or will the game be up by then?
To be honest, as I plan to be at the match I’d nearly prefer the former, especially with Leinster now ticking along well
To be honest, as I plan to be at the match I’d nearly prefer the former, especially with Leinster now ticking along well
JonChalk said:
Some other questions:
1. Should Saracens players sue the club for the financial mis-management which is going to affect their careers? Given that a) some Sarries players are going to have to go, and b) all the other Prem clubs will already have plans up to either the cap or their own budget constraints, some players are going to find their careers limited by Sarries cheating.
2. Should Saracens still be allowed to compete in Europe? Their cheating is potentially affecting the chances of other clubs getting through to knock out rounds, so their progression this afternoon (unless R92 buck their ideas up) will almost certainly see another Prem or Pro14 team unable to progress.
1. the players were in on it.1. Should Saracens players sue the club for the financial mis-management which is going to affect their careers? Given that a) some Sarries players are going to have to go, and b) all the other Prem clubs will already have plans up to either the cap or their own budget constraints, some players are going to find their careers limited by Sarries cheating.
2. Should Saracens still be allowed to compete in Europe? Their cheating is potentially affecting the chances of other clubs getting through to knock out rounds, so their progression this afternoon (unless R92 buck their ideas up) will almost certainly see another Prem or Pro14 team unable to progress.
2. Shouldn't be IMO.
wsurfa said:
The Mad Monk said:
df76 said:
And unravelling at the match today. Not good for England.
What does that mean?What's happening?
Saracens Squad to be broken up.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/51169248
What does it mean? Is it the end of Saracens?
If they break up their squad and don't come top of The Championship, then they won't get promotion back into the Premiership.
Or have I missed something?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/51169248
What does it mean? Is it the end of Saracens?
If they break up their squad and don't come top of The Championship, then they won't get promotion back into the Premiership.
Or have I missed something?
Edited by The Mad Monk on Monday 20th January 06:57
XCP said:
JonChalk said:
2. Should Saracens still be allowed to compete in Europe? Their cheating is potentially affecting the chances of other clubs getting through to knock out rounds, so their progression this afternoon (unless R92 buck their ideas up) will almost certainly see another Prem or Pro14 team unable to progress.
2. Shouldn't be IMO.
So, relegated because they would rather go down than show exactly what they had done and how.
"...Saracens were given a choice between Premiership Rugby doing "a forensic audit of exactly what has gone on" or accept relegation." "
Why?
Was what they done so bad? They had a chance of staying up, but would rather break up the squad, risk player careers and club stability, than just admit it formally.
Less and less sympathy for the club now. More and more sympathy for supporters, who I don't doubt, are even less happy than the rest of us.
"...Saracens were given a choice between Premiership Rugby doing "a forensic audit of exactly what has gone on" or accept relegation." "
Why?
Was what they done so bad? They had a chance of staying up, but would rather break up the squad, risk player careers and club stability, than just admit it formally.
Less and less sympathy for the club now. More and more sympathy for supporters, who I don't doubt, are even less happy than the rest of us.
768 said:
AIUI if they go down to the Championship they can't compete. There was an article floating around suggesting they go across to Pro14 to skirt that.
They would in the Championship easily if they went down and lost enough players to get under the cap. Players are not an issue for them. The issue for them is they have to have complied with the salary for two seasons before they can go up. This regulation was inplace to stop front loading contracts to players, for example:Bristol offer C.Puitau £3Million for 1 season (Championship) then £50 for a two season deal in he prem..
The issue is funding for the club. Sarries run a huge loss, I would suspect the major sponsors (Alliannz & Nike) will reconsider sponsership so they'll (probably) lose a lot funding there. The Championship gets no coverage = reduction in other sponsers income as it's of very little value. The league gets no funding = more money gone. Their crowds are rubbish (2nd worst in league) now in the top competitions. Against teams no-one knows off, with no well supported clubs bringing fans = less money. As an example of how bad it can be Northamption had to use a local lauderette, rather than a contractor, to do their washing when they went down.
Sarries can survive but it will cost the Wray's a lot of money to keep them going. IF they stay committed Sarries will be ok, if not they'll going to relly struggle. Personally I'd like the Wray's out of the game completely, I don't see how Nigel Wray (or hs family) can be considered a fit person to run a rugby club now.
jimKRFC said:
768 said:
AIUI if they go down to the Championship they can't compete. There was an article floating around suggesting they go across to Pro14 to skirt that.
They would in the Championship easily if they went down and lost enough players to get under the cap. Players are not an issue for them. The issue for them is they have to have complied with the salary for two seasons before they can go up. Leins said:
So Leinster will be playing Sarries in April. Not sure whether they are now akin to a wounded animal fighting for longer-term European participation, or will the game be up by then?
To be honest, as I plan to be at the match I’d nearly prefer the former, especially with Leinster now ticking along well
Sarries will be the wounded animal, everyones against us, fighting 'til the end, frame of mind.To be honest, as I plan to be at the match I’d nearly prefer the former, especially with Leinster now ticking along well
Plus, as they won't be fighting to be Premiership top 4, or even trying not to finish 12th, they can for a change, fully rest their star players ahead of that game.
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