General rugby thread
Discussion
768 said:
AIUI if they go down to the Championship they can't compete. There was an article floating around suggesting they go across to Pro14 to skirt that. 
Even that would only possibly see them back in next season if they win the whole thing this season, as they'd surely otherwise come in at the bottom of the Pro 14, and start out in the Challenge Cup?jimKRFC said:
They would in the Championship easily if they went down and lost enough players to get under the cap. Players are not an issue for them. The issue for them is they have to have complied with the salary for two seasons before they can go up. This regulation was inplace to stop front loading contracts to players, for example:
Bristol offer C.Puitau £3Million for 1 season (Championship) then £50 for a two season deal in he prem..
The issue is funding for the club. Sarries run a huge loss, I would suspect the major sponsors (Alliannz & Nike) will reconsider sponsership so they'll (probably) lose a lot funding there. The Championship gets no coverage = reduction in other sponsers income as it's of very little value. The league gets no funding = more money gone. Their crowds are rubbish (2nd worst in league) now in the top competitions. Against teams no-one knows off, with no well supported clubs bringing fans = less money. As an example of how bad it can be Northamption had to use a local lauderette, rather than a contractor, to do their washing when they went down.
Sarries can survive but it will cost the Wray's a lot of money to keep them going. IF they stay committed Sarries will be ok, if not they'll going to relly struggle. Personally I'd like the Wray's out of the game completely, I don't see how Nigel Wray (or hs family) can be considered a fit person to run a rugby club now.
I don't think this is correct. I know they have to comply with the salary cap in the season in which they get promoted, but if it was for two years, that would mean they can't be promoted at the end of next season, and I've just not seen a single news organisation reporting that.Bristol offer C.Puitau £3Million for 1 season (Championship) then £50 for a two season deal in he prem..
The issue is funding for the club. Sarries run a huge loss, I would suspect the major sponsors (Alliannz & Nike) will reconsider sponsership so they'll (probably) lose a lot funding there. The Championship gets no coverage = reduction in other sponsers income as it's of very little value. The league gets no funding = more money gone. Their crowds are rubbish (2nd worst in league) now in the top competitions. Against teams no-one knows off, with no well supported clubs bringing fans = less money. As an example of how bad it can be Northamption had to use a local lauderette, rather than a contractor, to do their washing when they went down.
Sarries can survive but it will cost the Wray's a lot of money to keep them going. IF they stay committed Sarries will be ok, if not they'll going to relly struggle. Personally I'd like the Wray's out of the game completely, I don't see how Nigel Wray (or hs family) can be considered a fit person to run a rugby club now.
Kermit power said:
I don't think this is correct. I know they have to comply with the salary cap in the season in which they get promoted, but if it was for two years, that would mean they can't be promoted at the end of next season, and I've just not seen a single news organisation reporting that.
It has been glossed over a little so far, I found it here:https://twitter.com/rugbybath/status/1218621223720...
Takling to 2 Sarries fans at work today, both are really embarrassed and fearful for the future.
One, a season ticket holder, is really torn between supporting the players or not renewing ST next year, as really annoyed / disappointed and minded to make a point to owners about how badly they have treated the fans and players (well those non-marquee players, who can't afford not to play / those not in a position to get head-hunted by the French).
One, a season ticket holder, is really torn between supporting the players or not renewing ST next year, as really annoyed / disappointed and minded to make a point to owners about how badly they have treated the fans and players (well those non-marquee players, who can't afford not to play / those not in a position to get head-hunted by the French).
This is the thing that means i have ZERO sympathy for them.
Signing Daly wasn't just two fingers up to anyone with a brain cell is was tap dancing across the pitch windmilling their dicks chanting "You can't f
king touch us, You can't fking touch us, da la la la da da!"I think they took too much inspiration from Russian denials...
jimKRFC said:
Kermit power said:
I don't think this is correct. I know they have to comply with the salary cap in the season in which they get promoted, but if it was for two years, that would mean they can't be promoted at the end of next season, and I've just not seen a single news organisation reporting that.
It has been glossed over a little so far, I found it here:https://twitter.com/rugbybath/status/1218621223720...
Will PRL ever tell us anything?
A question I have is - what now for the rest of the season?
With no relegation, but play-offs - it's a dress rehearsal for potential ring fencing (which I am dead against, for the record) - and as such I expect the accountants will be watching what happens for the rest of the season very carefully.
As this season is almost like a free hit for those teams who tend to find themselves at the bottom of the league table, will they blood more youngsters than usual to give them top-flight experience, without the pressure of a relegation dog-fight with a view to aiding their development?
Will we see more attacking, free-flowing rugby? 'Ring fencers' often cite the lack of relegation in Super Rugby for the different style and higher scores often found on the other side of the equator. If so will viewership and attendances increase?
On the flip side, with more games than usual deemed to be 'meaningless' - as much as any professional sport can be - will fans interest wain? Will we get a Pro14 scenario, where the big stars only play in European and play-off games - rarely venturing into league action?
With no relegation, but play-offs - it's a dress rehearsal for potential ring fencing (which I am dead against, for the record) - and as such I expect the accountants will be watching what happens for the rest of the season very carefully.
As this season is almost like a free hit for those teams who tend to find themselves at the bottom of the league table, will they blood more youngsters than usual to give them top-flight experience, without the pressure of a relegation dog-fight with a view to aiding their development?
Will we see more attacking, free-flowing rugby? 'Ring fencers' often cite the lack of relegation in Super Rugby for the different style and higher scores often found on the other side of the equator. If so will viewership and attendances increase?
On the flip side, with more games than usual deemed to be 'meaningless' - as much as any professional sport can be - will fans interest wain? Will we get a Pro14 scenario, where the big stars only play in European and play-off games - rarely venturing into league action?
Smollet said:
If you actually read the article rather than the headline, there's not actually a great deal I'd disagree with.It has been said that Sarries could've easily got within the salary cap for this season if they'd started back in June, thus not having to include any redundancy payments in the cap, but they were still claiming they were innocent until the judgement in November, based on lots of very expensive legal advice. Yes, they could've acted then, but that could've meant dismantling much of their squad, only to then find out they were right all along and needn't have done so.
Once they were in the situation they were in, it really does look as though there was no way out of it except by breaking employment law, which is patently absurd. I think that at the most draconian, they should've capped them at reaching no higher than 7th in the table, then relegated them if they didn't comply with the cap next season.
Lastly, I'd not heard that bit about only getting to keep £80k of the £180k per England player payment. That does seem like a real incentive not to develop England players!
Morning all....
It's nearly Six Nations time again!
Just to make that already glorious bridge from winter to spring a little more wonderful than it already is, I've just reactivated our Six Nations Fantasy pool from last year.
The 12 of you who were already in it should get an invitation email to bring you back in, and if anyone else would like to join, you can do so with the following.......
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nagsstet
It's nearly Six Nations time again!
Just to make that already glorious bridge from winter to spring a little more wonderful than it already is, I've just reactivated our Six Nations Fantasy pool from last year.
The 12 of you who were already in it should get an invitation email to bring you back in, and if anyone else would like to join, you can do so with the following.......
https://www.superbru.com/sixnationsfantasy/pool.ph...
or by downloading the Superbru app and searching for the pool with code:
nagsstet
Kermit power said:
Morning all....
It's nearly Six Nations time again!
Just to make that already glorious bridge from winter to spring a little more wonderful than it already is, I've just reactivated our Six Nations Fantasy pool from last year.
The 12 of you who were already in it should get an invitation email to bring you back in, and if anyone else would like to join, you can do so with the following.......
https://www.superbru.com/sixnationsfantasy/pool.ph...
or by downloading the Superbru app and searching for the pool with code:
nagsstet
Cheers - In.It's nearly Six Nations time again!
Just to make that already glorious bridge from winter to spring a little more wonderful than it already is, I've just reactivated our Six Nations Fantasy pool from last year.
The 12 of you who were already in it should get an invitation email to bring you back in, and if anyone else would like to join, you can do so with the following.......
https://www.superbru.com/sixnationsfantasy/pool.ph...
or by downloading the Superbru app and searching for the pool with code:
nagsstet
Squad selected.
Starting Lineup selected. With the exception of Louis R-Z, all England backs. Makes the forwards an interesting line up.
Not given a whole lot of thought - I'm in it for the craic.
the tribester said:
I think changing this 2 year rule, will be part of the agreeement in demoteting Sarries.
Will PRL ever tell us anything?
A poster on the Leicester board, Tigersince74, got hold of the 19/20 regs:Will PRL ever tell us anything?
"15 Promoted Club
15.1 A Promoted Club shall, within 28 days of receiving confirmation of promotion to the Gallagher Premiership from PRL, comply with the requirements of Regulation 4.4 by providing to the Salary Cap Manager the documents listed in Regulation 4.4.
15.2 A Promoted Club shall provide copies of its Declaration for the 2018-19 Salary Cap Year and its Certification for the 2017-18 Salary Cap Year as required under Regulations 4.2 and 4.3."
Spot the error the dates were not changed from one year to the next! It should read for the end of this season the promoted club provides copies of its declaration of complying with the salary cap 19/20 and certification of the previous year 18/19.
The new regs for next season 20/21 are usually published in February so not long to wait. It is normally compliance in the promotion year and the previous year
If Saracens finish top 20/21 they will need to be compliant in the successful Championship season and the previous year 19/20 which they failed and elected to be relegated.
Compliance with the Salary Cap regulations is part of the Professional Game Board Minimum Standards Criteria. Good luck finding these since London Welsh took them on.
I use their words above as they phrase it better than I could!
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