Cricket - England vs WIndies Summer 2017
Discussion
Yesterday one of the pundits, Tuffers?, was predicting that England needed to get same in this second innings as WIndies got in their first, ie 427, thus leaving them to get 258 to win. Well we are close to that target now with 3 wickets still in hand, though can't count on Broad or Jimmy for any runs. Is it too much to ask for another 60/80 before close/all out?
FiF said:
Yesterday one of the pundits, Tuffers?, was predicting that England needed to get same in this second innings as WIndies got in their first, ie 427, thus leaving them to get 258 to win. Well we are close to that target now with 3 wickets still in hand, though can't count on Broad or Jimmy for any runs. Is it too much to ask for another 60/80 before close/all out?
If Moeen is still there then I think we will get another 50. Looks in great touch and weirdly WI have chosen now to fall to pieces. I can foresee us bowling tonight and getting a couple out.Still 27 overs tonight
Gargamel said:
If Moeen is still there then I think we will get another 50. Looks in great touch and weirdly WI have chosen now to fall to pieces. I can foresee us bowling tonight and getting a couple out.
Still 27 overs tonight
I'd be happy with another 50. What about let Moeen get his ton and declare? Still 27 overs tonight
Realise that's jinxed it Murray Walker style, "aand look at Mansell he's..... oh dear!"
Gargamel said:
Malan presently 32 runs from 106 balls. I don't know what the question needs to be for Malan to be the answer. Surely Hales at five must be a better bet than this chap ? Or Roy. We need a dash of Elan, Elegance and well frankly some runs from a five. s
t I'd have Bairstow at five.
Anyway, grinding progress, I guess if this pair can hang on past the first ten of the new ball then we may have a chance to get a 200 lead.
One of Stokes, YJB or Moeen need to make a decent knock if we are going to have something to ball at.
Whilst I am here, what is it with Root and the looking fantastic and then getting out ? His stats for 50's are world leading. His stats for centuries are county.
Anyway, if we bat all day, we have a chance on a pitch that is wearing fast. Ali to clean them up tomorrow, with Jimmy A providing the unplayable first thing.
Do we need someone who scores quickly at 5 when we have Stokes, Bairstow and Ali at 6,7 and 8? Plus Root doesn't hang around either. He held the innings together well, allowing others to play around him.t I'd have Bairstow at five. Anyway, grinding progress, I guess if this pair can hang on past the first ten of the new ball then we may have a chance to get a 200 lead.
One of Stokes, YJB or Moeen need to make a decent knock if we are going to have something to ball at.
Whilst I am here, what is it with Root and the looking fantastic and then getting out ? His stats for 50's are world leading. His stats for centuries are county.
Anyway, if we bat all day, we have a chance on a pitch that is wearing fast. Ali to clean them up tomorrow, with Jimmy A providing the unplayable first thing.
AlexS said:
Do we need someone who scores quickly at 5 when we have Stokes, Bairstow and Ali at 6,7 and 8? Plus Root doesn't hang around either. He held the innings together well, allowing others to play around him.
I suggest slightly quicker than someone who has a strike rate of 30. Anyway I am not really knocking Malan, he dug in a ground it out today, which was what the match called for, was just a dull period, but Moeen is reaping the dividends of that crawling morning session now.As we have seen, that middle order will dig us out of trouble many times, but not every time, We need a 2, 3 and 5 right now who average more than 40 individually over say a ten test period. That must be the long term ambition.
The need for a reliable opener is more pressing, ideally find two as Cook cannot go on forever.
308 ahead now. Agreed that Broad isn't exactly the batsman we need right now, but he and Anderson are the best opening bowling partnership around right now, and we have an Ashes series next. Broad lost his confidence when he got a lifter through his grille and it smacked him on the nose, so a few half-decent innings will do him good.
Let's wait and see. The tv cameras keep focussing on Joe Root, expecting a declaration which must come soon, surely?
This West Indies team aren't the demotivated, disorganised rabble that we saw at Edgbaston, but they're sloppy - how badly have the dropped catches and wickets nullified by no-balls cost them in this game?
Let's wait and see. The tv cameras keep focussing on Joe Root, expecting a declaration which must come soon, surely?
This West Indies team aren't the demotivated, disorganised rabble that we saw at Edgbaston, but they're sloppy - how badly have the dropped catches and wickets nullified by no-balls cost them in this game?
TheAngryDog said:
... I felt it a little unfair to drop trj.
I'm hoping he's booked his place down under already.Westley has to be dropped.
I don't think we've learnt much of anything about Stoneman or Malan in this series thus far. But now we have next to no time to experiment. Probably best to keep them both in now and keep fingers crossed.
I'd like to see Hales get a go at Lords. And maybe shuffle the order up a bit (Root as Cook's partner maybe - lead from the front
).WI have played significantly better in this test than the first. But I can't help thinking that after getting a great result in match 1 England then seem to take their foot off the gas. Same thing happened against SA. They almost seem to get complacent, and if they do that against the Aussies they will get battered.
I agree that we need to be looking for a couple of openers now. I think getting on the look out for a replacement for Broad would be wise too.
In the end Root has to bat 3, I know he doesn't want to, but as the best bat in the team, that is his natural place.
Can't seem him opening, it is mentally draining to be Captain, managing all the tactics and then padding up straight away as soon as the innings changes (although being 3 with the current openers might not give much chance for a rest either)
Malan - worth sticking with, played a good knock yesterday and sometimes you need a run of games to get into it. Lets face it, whoever goes to Australia now is likely to be undercooked for the the trip, so might as well go for the longer term bet.
Bowling wise, if Broad went we still have Wood, TRJ, Woakes, Jimmy A, Stokes, Finn, Curran (22) Jordan (8 tests) to look at.
Broad tends to bowl better on hard decks and still seems to have enough control, good balls to make it worth while. I think Stokes will be a handful in Aus too.
Personally I'd be OK with Roy back at the top, balls in Aus have less sidewise movement so he might be a better bet.
TheAngryDog said:
Or poor England bowling?
I think the WIndies have this won.
It's nearly always a combination of both, but a couple of their batsmen seem to have been much, much better than before. Shame for Brathwaite he couldn't get another 5.I think the WIndies have this won.
If we get Hope out quickly after tea I reckon we'll just nick it. But it will not be a deserved win the way we've played, and the team again needs to take a look at themselves. Maybe Vaughan should give Root a rocket again and upset him a bit.
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