Pakistan vs England test series

Pakistan vs England test series

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Gargamel

14,997 posts

262 months

Monday 28th May 2018
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alfa phil said:
so who is it to be, i agree Root is not the man at the moment, i would tell Cook TO pick it up again .thought he made a good captain, but said it affected his performances, so now his performances are no better,confused this would hopefully get Root back to the form he once had, if cookie doesn't want to do it drop him, and give it to James Anderson, hes been round the block a few times , we cant do any worse , I know this is thinking outside the box a bit .but hey we are pretty crap at the moment, ps get moeen ali back in the side ,
Interesting how opinions vary.

This team can’t really move on with Broad, Jimmy and Cook in the side, yet there is no one seemingly giving them a run for their places, and a lot of new players have not performed. Even Woakes is in and out.

Jimmy A is not a captain, he is a deep introvert and hates all the dog and pony show that goes with captaincy.

I personally never liked Cook as Skip. I respect his record but he shouldn’t be in the slips anymore, or skip, or opening or playing for England. But like most, I am happy enough he gets a few more matches, but he isn’t going to recapture the glory days.

We are in a mess, and Root risks his record if he doesn’t sort it out. He seems not to grasp the problem, we’re are a bit mediocre. No real edge.

SydneyBridge

8,632 posts

159 months

Monday 28th May 2018
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Its a problem that we seem to have of selecting our best player as captain when they are not necessarily the rignt person. I don't know who would be the best captain at the momenr, but it needs to be who would let it effect their own game the least

Murph7355

37,760 posts

257 months

Tuesday 29th May 2018
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Murph7355 said:
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Someone will say so.mryhing to hurt Root's feelings, we'll come out fighting and win, then back to the nonchalance. Rinse and repeat.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/44285242

Ought to do it...

(Weird original typing notwithstanding smile)

alfa phil said:
so who is it to be, i agree Root is not the man at the moment, i would tell Cook TO pick it up again .thought he made a good captain, but said it affected his performances, so now his performances are no better,confused this would hopefully get Root back to the form he once had, if cookie doesn't want to do it drop him, and give it to James Anderson, hes been round the block a few times , we cant do any worse , I know this is thinking outside the box a bit .but hey we are pretty crap at the moment, ps get moeen ali back in the side ,
Could would be a step backwards. Anderson isn't the man.

Stokes would be controversial smile

I'm really not sure. But I agree with Gargamel. The team cannot move forwards while it clings to past glories.

I'd drop Cook (for good) and probably Broad (for a bit). I'd leave Jimmy in for now. Not sure who I'd put in the top order batting a present though.

Amirhussain

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11,489 posts

164 months

Tuesday 29th May 2018
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So Stoneman dropped for the next test and replaced with Jennings.

Stan the Bat

8,935 posts

213 months

Tuesday 29th May 2018
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"Stokes would be controversial "



Yes, but the type of personality that would make a good captain.

spikeyhead

17,339 posts

198 months

Tuesday 29th May 2018
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All I want to see is some application from the batsmen, and some nous in the field.

I suspect I may be waiting some time

Murph7355

37,760 posts

257 months

Tuesday 29th May 2018
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Stan the Bat said:
"Stokes would be controversial "

Yes, but the type of personality that would make a good captain.
I think so too.

I don't see Root ripping into an under-performer but am pretty sure Stokes would.

Not sure he has the tactical nous though. But then Root is hardly overflowing in that department!

Murph7355

37,760 posts

257 months

Tuesday 29th May 2018
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Amirhussain said:
So Stoneman dropped for the next test and replaced with Jennings.
That's EXACTLY what was needed. That will set the test world on fire...

Gargamel

14,997 posts

262 months

Tuesday 29th May 2018
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Murph7355 said:
Stan the Bat said:
"Stokes would be controversial "

Yes, but the type of personality that would make a good captain.
I think so too.

I don't see Root ripping into an under-performer but am pretty sure Stokes would.

Not sure he has the tactical nous though. But then Root is hardly overflowing in that department!
Lets have a top ten list of brave decisions by the ECB or Test Selectors.

1....

Go !

LivingTheDream

1,756 posts

180 months

Wednesday 30th May 2018
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Murph7355 said:
Amirhussain said:
So Stoneman dropped for the next test and replaced with Jennings.
That's EXACTLY what was needed. That will set the test world on fire...
rofl

Helicopter123

8,831 posts

157 months

Wednesday 30th May 2018
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LivingTheDream said:
Murph7355 said:
Amirhussain said:
So Stoneman dropped for the next test and replaced with Jennings.
That's EXACTLY what was needed. That will set the test world on fire...
rofl
Do you recall before the first test the list of promising County batsmen who were vying for selection?

First sign of trouble, pick a failed (at test level) IPL 'star'.

If that fails, pick a South African.

The selectors contempt for domestic red ball cricket is shameful.


spikeyhead

17,339 posts

198 months

Wednesday 30th May 2018
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Helicopter123 said:
Do you recall before the first test the list of promising County batsmen who were vying for selection?

First sign of trouble, pick a failed (at test level) IPL 'star'.

If that fails, pick a South African.

The selectors contempt for domestic red ball cricket is shameful.
Given that we only play proper cricket at county level in April and October, it's pointless as a guide to test cricket.

Helicopter123

8,831 posts

157 months

Thursday 31st May 2018
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spikeyhead said:
Helicopter123 said:
Do you recall before the first test the list of promising County batsmen who were vying for selection?

First sign of trouble, pick a failed (at test level) IPL 'star'.

If that fails, pick a South African.

The selectors contempt for domestic red ball cricket is shameful.
Given that we only play proper cricket at county level in April and October, it's pointless as a guide to test cricket.
I think it's the perfect guide to a home Test in May.

Murph7355

37,760 posts

257 months

Thursday 31st May 2018
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Gargamel said:
Lets have a top ten list of brave decisions by the ECB or Test Selectors.

1....

Go !
Give me a minute, am still having a think...

zokovic

31 posts

78 months

Friday 1st June 2018
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Since 1996 Pakistan cannot win a test series in England. They won the 1st test. They have chances to win the second test and win a test series in England after 22 years.

Wilksy288

102 posts

109 months

Friday 1st June 2018
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Well here we go again. Lets see what this test brings.

LivingTheDream

1,756 posts

180 months

Friday 1st June 2018
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He's big, He's bad.....

Black can man

31,841 posts

169 months

Friday 1st June 2018
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Good start for England, Great to see young Sam Curren making his debut today.

This lad has a huge future ahead of him.

Nom de ploom

4,890 posts

175 months

Friday 1st June 2018
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i tweeted TMS this morning to pose whether Tom Kohler-Cadmore might be a consideration...?

alot of talk about bayliss and this being his last test whatever the result....

the county game is shoehorned around one day cricket and doesn't have the gravitas it used to have. clearly England are building and focussing on the WC at home next year its a strategy that we hope brings rewards.

if it means a crap test side for a while is that an acceptable trade off?

Black can man

31,841 posts

169 months

Friday 1st June 2018
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79-7 yikes & not us for a change.