England V India cricket
Discussion
Gargamel said:
Interesting.
Woakes hits a century (not out) and takes some key wickets.... Curran looks the business and again is on a hot streak for wickets, Jimmy A and Broad are sacred, and took 14 wickets between them in the last test....
Pope - can't drop him its cruel. So who comes out ? Hales ? Stokes only makes sense as a bowler, he is a bit 1 in 20 with the bat these days. (Stokes, he has all gone a bit Alistair Cook with the bat)
So who do you drop
Hales isn't in the squad - he's "white ball only". To be honest, England made India look very ordinary in the last Test, so just imagine what we could do with Stokes back.Woakes hits a century (not out) and takes some key wickets.... Curran looks the business and again is on a hot streak for wickets, Jimmy A and Broad are sacred, and took 14 wickets between them in the last test....
Pope - can't drop him its cruel. So who comes out ? Hales ? Stokes only makes sense as a bowler, he is a bit 1 in 20 with the bat these days. (Stokes, he has all gone a bit Alistair Cook with the bat)
So who do you drop
It's probably an opportunity for some "squad rotation" and rest Anderson or Broad for the last two Tests. Stokes isn't in the squad for Trent Bridge anyway, and Stuart Broad will have fond memories of the place after the stuffing we gave to the Crims in 2015.
The only "disposable" member of the squad at the moment is Rashid, who looks like a spare dinner at a Chinese wedding - so why not? Why do we need a spinner, especially if we're not going to use him?
Dermot O'Logical said:
To be honest, England made India look very ordinary in the last Test, so just imagine what we could do with Stokes back.
Win slightly less convincingly, like we did when he played in the first Test.Anyway, he's now been officially added to the 14 man squad for the third Test.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/45186732
Dermot O'Logical said:
Hales isn't in the squad - he's "white ball only". To be honest, England made India look very ordinary in the last Test, so just imagine what we could do with Stokes back.
It's probably an opportunity for some "squad rotation" and rest Anderson or Broad for the last two Tests. Stokes isn't in the squad for Trent Bridge anyway, and Stuart Broad will have fond memories of the place after the stuffing we gave to the Crims in 2015.
The only "disposable" member of the squad at the moment is Rashid, who looks like a spare dinner at a Chinese wedding - so why not? Why do we need a spinner, especially if we're not going to use him?
Sorry not Hales, I was think of Buttler. It's probably an opportunity for some "squad rotation" and rest Anderson or Broad for the last two Tests. Stokes isn't in the squad for Trent Bridge anyway, and Stuart Broad will have fond memories of the place after the stuffing we gave to the Crims in 2015.
The only "disposable" member of the squad at the moment is Rashid, who looks like a spare dinner at a Chinese wedding - so why not? Why do we need a spinner, especially if we're not going to use him?
It’s a tough call, but I think I’d put him in for Curran. Nice problem to have, though.
I think that the ECB will issue a token punishment - a bit of a fine. He’s already missed out on 7 tests as a result of all this, but then played a few, too.
I don’t see much benefit in punishing him further than that, having been found not guilty.
Hopefully it’s a wake-up call for him to buck his ideas up.
I think that the ECB will issue a token punishment - a bit of a fine. He’s already missed out on 7 tests as a result of all this, but then played a few, too.
I don’t see much benefit in punishing him further than that, having been found not guilty.
Hopefully it’s a wake-up call for him to buck his ideas up.
Testaburger said:
It’s a tough call, but I think I’d put him in for Curran....
No way.Curran's doing well, getting experience and building confidence. The rug shouldn't be pulled from under him.
The suggestion of Rashid from someone earlier has merit.
Either that or just leave Stokes out until the need arises (seems unlikely in this test tbh).
Murph7355 said:
No way.
Curran's doing well, getting experience and building confidence. The rug shouldn't be pulled from under him.
The suggestion of Rashid from someone earlier has merit.
Either that or just leave Stokes out until the need arises (seems unlikely in this test tbh).
It would be tough on Curran, but it’s a confident coach that leaves out the world #1 all-rounder.Curran's doing well, getting experience and building confidence. The rug shouldn't be pulled from under him.
The suggestion of Rashid from someone earlier has merit.
Either that or just leave Stokes out until the need arises (seems unlikely in this test tbh).
I’d be inclined to put Curran in when the war is won.
carinatauk said:
ICC All Rounder rankings
Fair point - what I should have said, for semantic purposes, is ‘best currently-performing all-rounder in the world’.And yes, this is a subjective opinion.
As is my belief that he brings more to the team than Sam Curran - although he is doing brilliantly, too.
If it comes down to it, Stokes is probably a bit more handy if it all kicks off
On further introspection; I vote ditching Butlter. A worst-case scenario being that Stokes can either perform with the bat or the ball, as opposed to Buttler, who appears likely to perform neither at present.
Edited by Testaburger on Thursday 16th August 12:34
Testaburger said:
Fair point - what I should have said, for semantic purposes, is ‘best currently-performing all-rounder in the world’.
And yes, this is a subjective opinion.
As is my belief that he brings more to the team than Sam Curran - although he is doing brilliantly, too.
If it comes down to it, Stokes is probably a bit more handy if it all kicks off
On further introspection; I vote ditching Butlter. A worst-case scenario being that Stokes can either perform with the bat or the ball, as opposed to Buttler, who appears likely to perform neither at present.
Stokes is a good player but isn't performing in my book, bowling ok, batting poor. Buttler, I don't know, like Stokes when he bats well he is fantastic and adds alot to the team. And yes, this is a subjective opinion.
As is my belief that he brings more to the team than Sam Curran - although he is doing brilliantly, too.
If it comes down to it, Stokes is probably a bit more handy if it all kicks off
On further introspection; I vote ditching Butlter. A worst-case scenario being that Stokes can either perform with the bat or the ball, as opposed to Buttler, who appears likely to perform neither at present.
Edited by Testaburger on Thursday 16th August 12:34
Question is how many bowlers, wicketkeepers, all rounders do you need? Rashid is an if it for me but depends on the pitch. I would say Anderson will have another basket full if the weather stays the same.
My head says Stokes 12th man until last test, he needs time to reflect with the ECB's investigation / displinary going on.
carinatauk said:
Stokes is a good player but isn't performing in my book, bowling ok, batting poor. Buttler, I don't know, like Stokes when he bats well he is fantastic and adds alot to the team.
Question is how many bowlers, wicketkeepers, all rounders do you need? Rashid is an if it for me but depends on the pitch. I would say Anderson will have another basket full if the weather stays the same.
My head says Stokes 12th man until last test, he needs time to reflect with the ECB's investigation / displinary going on.
All true, however Stokes’ batting appears to be better than Buttler’s at the moment, and in the current English conditions, I’d suggest the versatility of the all-rounder is a good egg in the basket - especially given that at present, you’re not losing any batting prowess in doing so. Question is how many bowlers, wicketkeepers, all rounders do you need? Rashid is an if it for me but depends on the pitch. I would say Anderson will have another basket full if the weather stays the same.
My head says Stokes 12th man until last test, he needs time to reflect with the ECB's investigation / displinary going on.
Realistically, Stokes will also give them hell with the ball again.
All of this does point to our burning need for some capable top-order batsmen.
Cook has lost his mojo, and has been without it for a long time. We’ve a serious lack of depth in that area. Many have tried in recent years, all have been s
t. At least Pope looks promising.SydneyBridge said:
Agree- he is very lucky lad
self defence or not- he was still a dick
He certainly was a dick, but it’s not as clear-cut as that. He’s been found not guilty criminally, and his dickishness will be investigated by the ECB.self defence or not- he was still a dick
Of course we all know he was an utter dick, however I suspect that politically, that process needs to complete before internal punishment is doled-out; lest it look like mob justice.
I personally think, from a pure capability perspective, that this is the better selection.
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