England V India cricket
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ks sake. They are playing like they just want it over and to go home.
That TMS story is nice isn't it, I'd be happy to go like that.
England have to re learn how to play Test cricket. I was feeling a bit foolish a few weeks back opining that India would be a difficult team to beat, in the face of everyone else saying we'd walk it. I know we're 2-0 (realistically 2-1) up but playing conditions in the last Test so massively favoured England that it was hard to see how we could have lost.
I think a big overhaul of the team is necessary. We've fallen into the England football team habit of picking players who are out of form and dropping players who are in form. We also desperately need to curb this tendency for wild inconsistency, and learn how to sit in the crease all day (easier said than done against India's current crop of openers).
England have to re learn how to play Test cricket. I was feeling a bit foolish a few weeks back opining that India would be a difficult team to beat, in the face of everyone else saying we'd walk it. I know we're 2-0 (realistically 2-1) up but playing conditions in the last Test so massively favoured England that it was hard to see how we could have lost.
I think a big overhaul of the team is necessary. We've fallen into the England football team habit of picking players who are out of form and dropping players who are in form. We also desperately need to curb this tendency for wild inconsistency, and learn how to sit in the crease all day (easier said than done against India's current crop of openers).
Ben Stokes' slowest ever 50 in test cricket. I reckon he's grabbed this opportunity for public redemption after the recent events. Good for him . Keep your head down mate and concentrate - this could be your big chance after a nightmare few weeks.
Buttler is picking the bad ball and punishing it, and otherwise he's protecting his wicket. Great stuff. Proper test cricket.
Buttler is picking the bad ball and punishing it, and otherwise he's protecting his wicket. Great stuff. Proper test cricket.
garyhun said:
nicanary said:
Proper test cricket.
Isn’t it just. One more session and a full day and it’s a draw
All done bar the shouting.
Complacent England performance. Not the first time in Root's tenure.
Cue excuses, about how well the team did in spells. Pelters from pundits. Bottom lip from Root. Different performance at The Oval.
Dumb decisions by the selectors. Dumb decisions by the captain. Annihilated by an India team that could not get close in the last 2.
Edited by Murph7355 on Tuesday 21st August 19:46
thegreenhell said:
thegreenhell said:
Murph7355 said:
... and good middle order batting.
And don't we need it. In three innings so far, our top 4 batsmen have only scored more than 30 twice.
I do wish England would really work on developing some resilience in the crease. India's openers are really really fast but so inaccurate, there's absolutely no need to start slashing away like Cook, Jennings, Pope and Root did, it is exactly what they want you to do and literally plays into India's hands.
A few overs of blocking will soon wear down this kind of high tempo attack, then they can start scoring. Opening batsman don't necessarily have to score big, but they should be in for a reasonable amount of time and face a fair few deliveries.
I know it was a pointless exercise by this stage, but I commend Stokes and Butler for their patience and discipline. If any of the openers played like that who knows what could happen. I don't blame Pope, he was in an impossible position, but Cook, Root and Jennings should know better.
A few overs of blocking will soon wear down this kind of high tempo attack, then they can start scoring. Opening batsman don't necessarily have to score big, but they should be in for a reasonable amount of time and face a fair few deliveries.
I know it was a pointless exercise by this stage, but I commend Stokes and Butler for their patience and discipline. If any of the openers played like that who knows what could happen. I don't blame Pope, he was in an impossible position, but Cook, Root and Jennings should know better.
First test series I have been watching in a very long time. 
I don't think it's resilience per se, that the English batsmen lacked. You could see it coming in the 1st innings, Cook and Jennings went at a fair old lick before lunch helped by some poor bowling and tried to keep going like that after lunch, underestimating the Indian bowlers and the pitch. Hence, the poor shots & dismissals, IMO. The Indian bowling unit tightened things up after lunch and voila, an English collapse.
As a supporter of the visiting side, it's very pleasing to see the pacemen so quick, I think that played a part in extracting more from the pitch too. I don't think I saw the pace dropping much all day, all four of the Indian pacemen bowled consistently quick all through their spells...I don't think I can say the same for the English pacemen.
Anyway, this brings some interest back in the series.
warch said:
I do wish England would really work on developing some resilience in the crease. India's openers are really really fast but so inaccurate, there's absolutely no need to start slashing away like Cook, Jennings, Pope and Root did, it is exactly what they want you to do and literally plays into India's hands.
A few overs of blocking will soon wear down this kind of high tempo attack, then they can start scoring. Opening batsman don't necessarily have to score big, but they should be in for a reasonable amount of time and face a fair few deliveries.
I know it was a pointless exercise by this stage, but I commend Stokes and Butler for their patience and discipline. If any of the openers played like that who knows what could happen. I don't blame Pope, he was in an impossible position, but Cook, Root and Jennings should know better.
Winning the toss and putting India in, you would think Root was trying to be ruthless, but it is exactly what India wanted because the Indian batsmen were itching to get back out there asap and make amends for the Lords misery. It showed with the way they played, especially the opening partnership. If England had batted and kept India on the field for a couple of days, may be the Indian batsmen wouldn't have been quite so to tough to break.A few overs of blocking will soon wear down this kind of high tempo attack, then they can start scoring. Opening batsman don't necessarily have to score big, but they should be in for a reasonable amount of time and face a fair few deliveries.
I know it was a pointless exercise by this stage, but I commend Stokes and Butler for their patience and discipline. If any of the openers played like that who knows what could happen. I don't blame Pope, he was in an impossible position, but Cook, Root and Jennings should know better.
I don't think it's resilience per se, that the English batsmen lacked. You could see it coming in the 1st innings, Cook and Jennings went at a fair old lick before lunch helped by some poor bowling and tried to keep going like that after lunch, underestimating the Indian bowlers and the pitch. Hence, the poor shots & dismissals, IMO. The Indian bowling unit tightened things up after lunch and voila, an English collapse.
As a supporter of the visiting side, it's very pleasing to see the pacemen so quick, I think that played a part in extracting more from the pitch too. I don't think I saw the pace dropping much all day, all four of the Indian pacemen bowled consistently quick all through their spells...I don't think I can say the same for the English pacemen.
Anyway, this brings some interest back in the series.
I was there yesterday - if Buttler hadn't been dropped on 1 it would have been a very sorry procession. India's slip catching was pretty good (and much better than England)
Jennings - has no foot movement (but we knew that already). Got done by a good ball. Anyone right handed might be a good replacement. Root never looked at ease yesterday & got out as he often does, hanging the bat outside off stump to a short ball - his strength has become a weakness I think. Pope isn't a test #4 yet. He has obvious talent, but hasn't learnt to leave and plays hard at wide balls, with bat away from his body (a bit like a county #6 really..). Stokes was impressive - clearly out of touch, but reined himself in and just dug in, as did Buttler (albeit more fluently). The second new ball was pivotal - Buttler had a close call a few balls before when he left one & it cut back & bounced over middle, then did the same again & was LBW. Woakes was surprised by a really nasty bouncer.
Ishant Sharma has looked very dangerous at Edgbaston and Trent Bridge, Bumrah was quick & awkward here. Sharma looks a bit ordinary TBH. Ashwin looks tricky and has loads of variations.
A good result for the series, & a reality check for England - maybe they will drop some bowlers as they usually do when the batsmen fail... If Bairstow's fit, I'd bat him at 4 with Buttler keeping. Pope at 6. No idea who replaces Jennings. Moeen in for Rashid maybe?
(Vic Marks has just suggested Bairstow as an opener..not a bad idea)
Jennings - has no foot movement (but we knew that already). Got done by a good ball. Anyone right handed might be a good replacement. Root never looked at ease yesterday & got out as he often does, hanging the bat outside off stump to a short ball - his strength has become a weakness I think. Pope isn't a test #4 yet. He has obvious talent, but hasn't learnt to leave and plays hard at wide balls, with bat away from his body (a bit like a county #6 really..). Stokes was impressive - clearly out of touch, but reined himself in and just dug in, as did Buttler (albeit more fluently). The second new ball was pivotal - Buttler had a close call a few balls before when he left one & it cut back & bounced over middle, then did the same again & was LBW. Woakes was surprised by a really nasty bouncer.
Ishant Sharma has looked very dangerous at Edgbaston and Trent Bridge, Bumrah was quick & awkward here. Sharma looks a bit ordinary TBH. Ashwin looks tricky and has loads of variations.
A good result for the series, & a reality check for England - maybe they will drop some bowlers as they usually do when the batsmen fail... If Bairstow's fit, I'd bat him at 4 with Buttler keeping. Pope at 6. No idea who replaces Jennings. Moeen in for Rashid maybe?
(Vic Marks has just suggested Bairstow as an opener..not a bad idea)
Dr Z said:
As a supporter of the visiting side, it's very pleasing to see the pacemen so quick, I think that played a part in extracting more from the pitch too. I don't think I saw the pace dropping much all day, all four of the Indian pacemen bowled consistently quick all through their spells...I don't think I can say the same for the English pacemen.
Anyway, this brings some interest back in the series.
Sharma and Bumrah are awesome to watch, the pace of the delivery is unbelievable, that ball off the glove that dismissed Woakes was frankly terrifying. Anderson is slower but more precise. Broad is very inconsistent these days.Anyway, this brings some interest back in the series.
I'm glad India are contesting this series, and I agree that it is far better to have a closely fought contest, whitewashes and 3 day test matches are depressing even if your team is victorious.
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