England V India cricket
Discussion
warch said:
Sharma and Bumrah are awesome to watch, the pace of the delivery is unbelievable, that ball off the glove that dismissed Woakes was frankly terrifying. Anderson is slower but more precise. Broad is very inconsistent these days.
I agree, Anderson is very precise and it's clear to see he's getting some deserved extra respect from the Indian batsmen when facing him.Broad can look like getting a wicket every ball randomly out of nowhere in a spell, but otherwise doesn't have the precision/consistency of Anderson, so can be more easily negotiated.
The Indian batsmen underestimated Woakes in Lords (when he actually swung it more than any one else) but again playing him with more respect here.
England missed a trick with Curran, big time. Wouldn't be surprised if he comes back for the next one, may be for Bairstow? Do you all think Stokes has shown enough this match for his continued inclusion in the side for this series?
Dunno how Bumrah manages bowl so fast with the action of his, I'm not sure he can maintain that in the long run...from the armchair it looks like an injury waiting to happen.
Sharma is OK, a bit like Broad and he's getting into a nice rhythm now, but doesn't look that threatening to the right handers, not able to move the ball away from them and needing to work the angles so hard to confuse the right hand bats.
Shami and Pandya can move it both ways but the former is prone to that loose ball that goes down leg when he tries to go for that fast straight one. He likes that LBW. I think the English batsmen have given a huge lift to Pandya's confidence with that 5-for in the 1st innings. He bowled with pace but that 5-for has seemingly got his radar right on target much more consistently. Funny to hear old Bob Willis dismiss him as a dibbly dobbler.
There is however, a big worry with Ashwin's fitness.
I wasn't sure about Stokes during India's first innings, he looked a bit too fired up, calling a lot of reviews and being rather expensive with his bowling. His mature batting in England's second innings more than made up for that.
It was a shame to see Curran out of the squad, he was so good at Edgbaston. Hopefully he'll make a reappearance during this series.
It was a shame to see Curran out of the squad, he was so good at Edgbaston. Hopefully he'll make a reappearance during this series.
warch said:
I wasn't sure about Stokes during India's first innings, he looked a bit too fired up, calling a lot of reviews and being rather expensive with his bowling. His mature batting in England's second innings more than made up for that.
It was a shame to see Curran out of the squad, he was so good at Edgbaston. Hopefully he'll make a reappearance during this series.
I'm not convinced his batting in the 2nd innings made up for the swap at all. I'm not a fan of disturbing a winning team. I think it has impacts beyond the pure swap.It was a shame to see Curran out of the squad, he was so good at Edgbaston. Hopefully he'll make a reappearance during this series.
Would we have fayred any better without the switch? We'll never know. Possibly not. But it was another in a succession of dumb moves by the selectors.
We had a pretty good and varied attack with Curran in the side. Having a left armer is a big advantage.
Anyway, we got toasted in this one, very disappointing. Hopefully Jennings and Pope will learn some important lessons here, for me thought Jennings footwork is pretty ordinary for a would be test opener. If he can't bat out of his crease and get a big step in against the moving ball then he is always going to struggle in England.
Cook for all his experience wasn't leaving the ball on lengths, so effectively playing at balls well above waist height ... why ? He knows the ball will flatten out after 20 overs, he used to be the best in the world at seeing off the opening pair of bowlers and the new ball.
Our problems start with the opening pair, it is nothing new.
warch said:
That TMS story is nice isn't it, I'd be happy to go like that.
England have to re learn how to play Test cricket. I was feeling a bit foolish a few weeks back opining that India would be a difficult team to beat, in the face of everyone else saying we'd walk it. I know we're 2-0 (realistically 2-1) up but playing conditions in the last Test so massively favoured England that it was hard to see how we could have lost.
I think a big overhaul of the team is necessary. We've fallen into the England football team habit of picking players who are out of form and dropping players who are in form. We also desperately need to curb this tendency for wild inconsistency, and learn how to sit in the crease all day (easier said than done against India's current crop of openers).
Eh?England have to re learn how to play Test cricket. I was feeling a bit foolish a few weeks back opining that India would be a difficult team to beat, in the face of everyone else saying we'd walk it. I know we're 2-0 (realistically 2-1) up but playing conditions in the last Test so massively favoured England that it was hard to see how we could have lost.
I think a big overhaul of the team is necessary. We've fallen into the England football team habit of picking players who are out of form and dropping players who are in form. We also desperately need to curb this tendency for wild inconsistency, and learn how to sit in the crease all day (easier said than done against India's current crop of openers).
A little over a week ago and we were humbling the best Test team in the world & everything was fantastic.
Some people really do have short memories.
zygalski said:
Eh?
A little over a week ago and we were humbling the best Test team in the world & everything was fantastic.
Some people really do have short memories.
Not really.A little over a week ago and we were humbling the best Test team in the world & everything was fantastic.
Some people really do have short memories.
What's actually changed in this series? Nothing.
We are decent when the ball moves about, India less so.
We are fragile with the bat.
We knew that before the start of the series and every test has backed that up.
zygalski said:
Eh?
A little over a week ago and we were humbling the best Test team in the world & everything was fantastic.
Some people really do have short memories.
I sort of agree, but I think India played badly in the first two, and have learnt to adapt to the conditions pretty well. We changed our team, which I think was a mistake, and Root made a really really bad decision with the toss. A little over a week ago and we were humbling the best Test team in the world & everything was fantastic.
Some people really do have short memories.
Hey if we beat them by an innings and plenty in the next test then again all is good. All about our batting firing.
desolate said:
zygalski said:
Eh?
A little over a week ago and we were humbling the best Test team in the world & everything was fantastic.
Some people really do have short memories.
Not really.A little over a week ago and we were humbling the best Test team in the world & everything was fantastic.
Some people really do have short memories.
What's actually changed in this series? Nothing.
We are decent when the ball moves about, India less so.
We are fragile with the bat.
We knew that before the start of the series and every test has backed that up.
The ball moved about at Trent Bridge. We weren't "decent" but India were. Too many dropped slip catches, too many poor shots.
We dominated the second test, no doubt about that. Maybe got the best of the conditions though.
The first test was very even - and we were 87-7 in our second innings. Curran took a few risks & got away with it, we added another hundred and won by ~30.
Testaburger said:
Dr Z said:
So you all reckon England would still have thumped India if they hadn't won the toss at Lords?
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Yes..
Both teams had a bat in the same conditions. India had two. They just played a crap game - in much the same way England had a shocker the third.
Very excited for test four.
thegreenhell said:
India batted on day 1 in very poor conditions. England had a bright, sunny day for batting on day 2, which is when they built most of their lead. India didn't play well, but England had by far the best conditions in that match.
Day one was poor batting conditions, but India returned to the crease on day 3 and got decimated. Yes, again favourable conditions, but not to be overstated.India were horrific. England took their chances.
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