Mixed Martial Arts Training Thread (Not UFC etc...)

[Ayahuasca]

ben5575 said:

MC Bodge said:

I appear to have strained the ligaments in my shoulder (AC joint) . Grrrr.

I've done both of mine (40+). Hopefully it's only a strain, otherwise it's 9 months out plus steroid injections despite you not thinking it will be.

It's aggravated by being on your back or sat and placing your elbows/hand(s) behind you to support yourself. Basically, any pushing/supporting motion where your elbows are behind your back. Good luck!

Did one of my shoulders a few months ago. Rotator cuff thing. Took ages to get right. Good luck with yours.

[Ayahuasca]

Tonight’s class was holding a (thin) pad over your stomach while your partner slammed jabs and crosses into it. Two minutes of solid punching, then change over. For 40 mins.

Then 20 mins of the blokes lining up at attention, no pads, and the women slam right and left hooks to the body. Some of those black belt women have pretty good hooks and it is interesting what taking decent liver shots, continually, for 20 minutes feels like.

[BRR]

Ayahuasca said:

Tonight’s class was holding a (thin) pad over your stomach while your partner slammed jabs and crosses into it. Two minutes of solid punching, then change over. For 40 mins.

Then 20 mins of the blokes lining up at attention, no pads, and the women slam right and left hooks to the body. Some of those black belt women have pretty good hooks and it is interesting what taking decent liver shots, continually, for 20 minutes feels like.

That sounds like absolute hell

[Ayahuasca]

Not too bad actually. All wearing 12 oz boxing gloves, and after a while the punchers get tired. Well most of them. And great for learning to tense the core to take a body shot.

[Halb]

Continuous liver shots doesn't sound healthy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liver_shot

[MC Bodge]

BRR said:

Ayahuasca said:

Tonight’s class was holding a (thin) pad over your stomach while your partner slammed jabs and crosses into it. Two minutes of solid punching, then change over. For 40 mins.

Then 20 mins of the blokes lining up at attention, no pads, and the women slam right and left hooks to the body. Some of those black belt women have pretty good hooks and it is interesting what taking decent liver shots, continually, for 20 minutes feels like.

That sounds like absolute hell

It sounds ridiculous, to be honest.

[MC Bodge]

ben5575 said:

MC Bodge said:

I appear to have strained the ligaments in my shoulder (AC joint) . Grrrr.

I've done both of mine (40+). Hopefully it's only a strain, otherwise it's 9 months out plus steroid injections despite you not thinking it will be.

It's aggravated by being on your back or sat and placing your elbows/hand(s) behind you to support yourself. Basically, any pushing/supporting motion where your elbows are behind your back. Good luck!

It doesn't feel like a complete Tear/displacement.

About 15 years ago I fell off a bike and landed on the point of the same shoulder. It feels similar, but hurts less than that did. The pain is worst first thing in the morning as a cross my arm over to to switch off the alarm clock.

The same shoulder has been a bit clicky for a long time, so maybe there was scar tissue in the ligament.

I do a range of pushing and pulling exercises along with Indian club swinging (after and impinging issue) so shoulder stability and strength shouldn't be too bad, which will hopefully aid recovery.

[Hoofy]

MC Bodge said:

BRR said:

Ayahuasca said:

Tonight’s class was holding a (thin) pad over your stomach while your partner slammed jabs and crosses into it. Two minutes of solid punching, then change over. For 40 mins.

Then 20 mins of the blokes lining up at attention, no pads, and the women slam right and left hooks to the body. Some of those black belt women have pretty good hooks and it is interesting what taking decent liver shots, continually, for 20 minutes feels like.

That sounds like absolute hell

It sounds ridiculous, to be honest.

I've done worserer. Trad kung fu body conditioning.

[Halb]

MC Bodge said:

I do a range of pushing and pulling exercises along with Indian club swinging (after and impinging issue) so shoulder stability and strength shouldn't be too bad, which will hopefully aid recovery.

Indian/Persian clubs are great. You got a good routine?

[MC Bodge]

Halb said:

MC Bodge said:

I do a range of pushing and pulling exercises along with Indian club swinging (after and impinging issue) so shoulder stability and strength shouldn't be too bad, which will hopefully aid recovery.

Indian/Persian clubs are great. You got a good routine?

I read various sources and combined them into a bit of a routine that lasts about 10 minutes. I do it as a warm up a couple if times per week.

[BRR]

Ayahuasca said:

Not too bad actually. All wearing 12 oz boxing gloves, and after a while the punchers get tired. Well most of them. And great for learning to tense the core to take a body shot.

When I first started Muay Thai about 15 years ago the guys I trained with did a lot of this. It's one of those things where I'm not convinced of the effectiveness of it for helping you prepare for a body shot in live spar or fight. The main problem being that you see the shots coming and as such will tense etc at the appropriate time, the reality of a fight is that your opponent will raise your hands with head shots and whilst you're covering will hit your body which you won't see and as such won't have tensed up for, as such I think time would be better spent developing a strong core rather than one that's used to getting hit, though I've no science etc to back that opinion up

[Ayahuasca]

BRR said:

Ayahuasca said:

Not too bad actually. All wearing 12 oz boxing gloves, and after a while the punchers get tired. Well most of them. And great for learning to tense the core to take a body shot.

When I first started Muay Thai about 15 years ago the guys I trained with did a lot of this. It's one of those things where I'm not convinced of the effectiveness of it for helping you prepare for a body shot in live spar or fight. The main problem being that you see the shots coming and as such will tense etc at the appropriate time, the reality of a fight is that your opponent will raise your hands with head shots and whilst you're covering will hit your body which you won't see and as such won't have tensed up for, as such I think time would be better spent developing a strong core rather than one that's used to getting hit, though I've no science etc to back that opinion up

You are almost certainly right. But all the core tensing is a good exercise in its own right too. My core is fairly hard but one poor sod was a flabby noob and he was almost crying with pain. I looked upon it as an exercise in discipline,which I guess is what it is. We don't do it all the time!

[MC Bodge]

Ayahuasca said:

You are almost certainly right. But all the core tensing is a good exercise in its own right too. My core is fairly hard but one poor sod was a flabby noob and he was almost crying with pain. I looked upon it as an exercise in discipline,which I guess is what it is. We don't do it all the time!

It may be discipline, but sparring would surely be better conditioning training

[Ayahuasca]

MC Bodge said:

Ayahuasca said:

You are almost certainly right. But all the core tensing is a good exercise in its own right too. My core is fairly hard but one poor sod was a flabby noob and he was almost crying with pain. I looked upon it as an exercise in discipline,which I guess is what it is. We don't do it all the time!

It may be discipline, but sparring would surely be better conditioning training

True, but sparring you don't hit with full force (unless you are THAT person) and in the static conditioning the punches were thrown with everything.

With sparring most go for head shots, and kicks, these were all body shot punches, no kicks.

I do enjoy the punching part; the 720 degree spinning tornado kicks no so much.

[Ayahuasca]

Today first hour: punching pads. Press ups. Second hour: rear leg (full blooded) Muay Thai style roundhouse kicks to thigh, padded, partnered with a 6'5" bloke with a mule kick. 10 kicks left, ten right, hard as you can, switch over, don't stop. Pain. Pain.

I have never been in a street fight, but I think the roundhouse kick to the thigh / knee would be capable of damaging an attacker. Not fancy, just very hard. We obviously brace the leg to take the hit we know is coming, still bloody hurts; if the kick went to an un-braced / unsuspecting leg (shin bone to thigh/knee) it would be a different kettle of pain.

[BRR]

What sort of pads are you using for that, the ones you strap to your leg or are you holding a kick shield? if it's the ones you strap to your leg I don't how it would be possible to take kicks like that for an hour from somebody that is proficient in the technique

years ago I fought Leon Edwards (currently top 15 WW in the UFC) and he hit me with about 10 clean leg kicks in that fight and afterwards almost my entire leg from calf to mid thigh was purple, couldn't walk properly for about a week. In most fights where we've just exchanged a few leg kicks it has been bad enough

[ben5575]

I've been caught a few times and been unable to walk for a couple of days. Getting in and out of a car was always fun...

But that was always through shin pads. 10 kicks in anger from somebody who knows what they are doing, shin bone to muscle I'm happy to be a fanny

Ayahuasca, I'd really be thinking about changing gyms; it's 2019 not Okinawa 1985

[Halb]

Ayahuasca said:

Today first hour: punching pads. Press ups. Second hour: rear leg (full blooded) Muay Thai style roundhouse kicks to thigh, padded, partnered with a 6'5" bloke with a mule kick. 10 kicks left, ten right, hard as you can, switch over, don't stop. Pain. Pain.
I have never been in a street fight, but I think the roundhouse kick to the thigh / knee would be capable of damaging an attacker. Not fancy, just very hard. We obviously brace the leg to take the hit we know is coming, still bloody hurts; if the kick went to an un-braced / unsuspecting leg (shin bone to thigh/knee) it would be a different kettle of pain.

I haven't had a scrap for over ten years, but I think going on one foot for any period of time is serious high risk. Stay off the floor at all costs!

[Ayahuasca]

BRR said:

What sort of pads are you using for that, the ones you strap to your leg or are you holding a kick shield? if it's the ones you strap to your leg I don't how it would be possible to take kicks like that for an hour from somebody that is proficient in the technique

years ago I fought Leon Edwards (currently top 15 WW in the UFC) and he hit me with about 10 clean leg kicks in that fight and afterwards almost my entire leg from calf to mid thigh was purple, couldn't walk properly for about a week. In most fights where we've just exchanged a few leg kicks it has been bad enough

Kick shield I guess. Square pad you hold against the body /leg. The other sort would indeed be insane. This morning my legs are a bit bruised.

[Tony Angelino]

Aside of other issues raised, isn't it a really boring way of spending an hour?