The **BOXING** thread (Vol 3)

[StuTheGrouch]

yonex said:

He out jabbed a 20st a Mexican who he has a significant reach advantage, whilst standing what, 5 inches higher and 10 inch reach advantage...all the time attending the school of Vladimir?

It seems that you would be negative about Joshua no matter what. Who gives a st about the reach and height advantage? You use your strengths to your advantage, which is what Joshua failed to do the first time. It was hardly Joshua's fault that Ruiz turned up like Butterbean.

He out jabbed Ruiz, yes, but he also landed more power punches than Ruiz too.

If that fight doesn't show that AJ can adapt and box a technical fight, then you are deliberately being daft. He has now shown that in addition to being a very powerful puncher that he can actually box. This makes it exciting. Wilder punches harder, but can't box. Fury can't punch, but is a brilliant boxer.

You don't know for sure that Wilder would KO AJ, or that Fury would box his head off. Many years ago no-one thought Fury would beat Wladimir.

Comparing CVs, Fury has struggled against some seriously st opponents, so I genuinely don't understand this "AJ is st, Fury rules" bks.

[StuTheGrouch]

yonex said:

BadBull said:

Why you banging on about Fury?

AJ said he wouldn't make excuses about the loss, but that's exactly what he's done recently.

It’s all he’s done actually

It really isn't. Following his loss he made no excuses whatsoever and was very gracious in defeat. He still hasn't made any excuses, but addressing the rumours has confirmed that something was up. He still says the best man won on the night for their first fight, so how is he making excuses? Please do explain.

[anonymous-user]

I'll expect an apology when he gives up his belt. Then another when and if he fights and loses to Wilder/Fury.

[StuTheGrouch]

yonex said:

I'll expect an apology when he gives up his belt. Then another when and if he fights and loses to Wilder/Fury.

Why the fk would I apologise to you?

[anonymous-user]

StuTheGrouch said:

Why the fk would I apologise to you?

It’s normal when you get things wrong. Hope that (fking) helps

[StuTheGrouch]

yonex said:

He barely laid a glove on an immobile 20st opponent, after already having a blueprint.

So, the stats show you to be wrong. Care to apologise to the forum for spouting such easily disputed nonsense?

[Olivera]

StuTheGrouch said:

Comparing CVs, Fury has struggled against some seriously st opponents, so I genuinely don't understand this "AJ is st, Fury rules" bks.

Indeed, let's look at number of different top ten ranked opponents beaten:

Fury - 2

Klitchsko
Chisora

Wilder - 1

Ortiz

Joshua - 4

Ruiz
Klitchsko
Povetkin
Whyte

So Joshua clearly has the best record, even excluding good wins over opponents such as Takam and Parker who were just outside the top 10 at the time.

[biggbn]

I was concerned when I saw Ruiz weight but do not feel it delegitimizes aj win. He boxed to a plan and kept Ruiz at distance, something I did not think he could do regardless of Ruiz shape. Fair play. I am one of those who believes he would barely lay a glove on fury. Too orthodox, too straight up and down, feet, and hands too slow. But, as I said in another post, I have always thought he was second best heavy in the world and he proved it with that performance

[Davos123]

Olivera said:

So Joshua clearly has the best record, even excluding good wins over opponents such as Takam and Parker who were just outside the top 10 at the time.

Was Parker outside the top 10? He took a belt off him in that fight, didn't he?

[StuTheGrouch]

Davos123 said:

Yonex has a weird thing for hyperbolic nonsense stting on successful black British athletes.

He certainly talks nonsense.

Still waiting for that apology....

[biggbn]

Just read neon Leon spinks in a bad way in hospital. Damn he was a crazy man.

[anonymous-user]

Davos123 said:

Yonex has a weird thing for hyperbolic nonsense stting on successful black British athletes.

Whilst yours is making tenuous links to racism?

What a winner.

[anonymous-user]

Fury vs Wallin wasn't exactly a dazzling display by Fury. If Fury had boxed like AJ did against Ruiz Jr. 2 then it would have been described as a "masterclass" by his fan base. There is quite a lot of overlap between Wilder and Fury fans but I'd say that AJ fans are more partisan. This will only be sorted out when both Fury and Wilder have fought AJ, but I fear that they will all be past their best when that finally happens. Don't forget boxing is a business first, sport second. And I say that as a fan and an active non-professional competitor. Hopefully in the next couple of years I'm proved wrong, ironically the money coming in from the Saudi guys probably makes it more likely to happen now in Nov 2020 or Nov 2021.

[hyphen]

Olivera said:

StuTheGrouch said:

Comparing CVs, Fury has struggled against some seriously st opponents, so I genuinely don't understand this "AJ is st, Fury rules" bks.

Indeed, let's look at number of different top ten ranked opponents beaten:

Fury - 2

Klitchsko
Chisora

Wilder - 1

Ortiz

Joshua - 4

Ruiz
Klitchsko
Povetkin
Whyte

So Joshua clearly has the best record, even excluding good wins over opponents such as Takam and Parker who were just outside the top 10 at the time.

Fury made it look easy against Wlad, and then fought Wilder without fighting any serious opponents prior (i.e. massive ring rust) and was fat. But in anycase, I don't think it matters, as in a few months it will be sorted.

The winner of Fury v Wilder will have the better record than AJ, as they have defeated a man at the top and in his prime.

Edited by hyphen on Thursday 12th December 10:30

[anonymous-user]

Ever wondered why the WBC don’t make AJ the mandatory for Wilder? Think about it..

[milkround]

ThePackMan said:

Ever wondered why the WBC don’t make AJ the mandatory for Wilder? Think about it..

I think when you hold another belt you cannot be the challenger for another. Something about a champion cannot be a challenger. Might be totally wrong.

[anonymous-user]

I think you’re right, but my point is that unification isn’t necessarily a good thing for that particular body. If it was then champions would always be fighting each other. Unfortunately that’s not the case. Compared to pretty much every other sport I can think of where champions face champions all the time. It makes sorting out who’s best a ton easier.

[NuckyThompson]

milkround said:

I think when you hold another belt you cannot be the challenger for another. Something about a champion cannot be a challenger. Might be totally wrong.

Correct but a Unification bout takes precedence over a mandatory. So for example Pulev is now AJ's mandatory but if AJ was to sign to fight Wilder next then his mandatory would have to wait.

[hyphen]

I have realised that two time world champion sounds better than World Champion. AJ should lose a few times to become Four times world champion

[biggbn]

hyphen said:

I have realised that two time world champion sounds better than World Champion. AJ should lose a few times to become Four times world champion

One time undefeated sounds best though..