The **BOXING** thread (Vol 3)
Discussion
I think as we go into next year we will see more normal numbers of matches as the industry gets used to behind closed doors events. Whyte Povetkin proved you can have a decent PPV event this way and I think it will start to dawn on people that crowds may be a couple of years away. We will be coming up to 12 months with most of the top flight fighters being inactive and none of them will want that.
Agreed. I think some sports "need" a crowd to be exciting more than boxing does. Think about football, or (not that I'm a follower) darts! In some ways I think watching boxing on TV is better without a crowd, you can hear everything, just like in the gym - which just adds to the grit etc. The only people who need a crowd right are matchroom, queensbury etc. and of course the venues like 02 etc.
ThePackMan said:
Agreed. I think some sports "need" a crowd to be exciting more than boxing does. Think about football, or (not that I'm a follower) darts! In some ways I think watching boxing on TV is better without a crowd, you can hear everything, just like in the gym - which just adds to the grit etc. The only people who need a crowd right are matchroom, queensbury etc. and of course the venues like 02 etc.
And the boxers.Like in Rocky and Karate Kid, where you are almost done for, but then your nan's voice cuts through and you find strength you didn't knew you had, rise up and TKO
hyphen said:
ThePackMan said:
Agreed. I think some sports "need" a crowd to be exciting more than boxing does. Think about football, or (not that I'm a follower) darts! In some ways I think watching boxing on TV is better without a crowd, you can hear everything, just like in the gym - which just adds to the grit etc. The only people who need a crowd right are matchroom, queensbury etc. and of course the venues like 02 etc.
And the boxers.Like in Rocky and Karate Kid, where you are almost done for, but then your nan's voice cuts through and you find strength you didn't knew you had, rise up and TKO
Looking ahead to fights I’m really hoping that Brook could pull it off against Crawford. Nobody gave Brook a chance against Porter when they fought in the US, but Brook came home a world champion. I know everything is stacked against him, but I’d love to see him do it. He deserves it.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/54601114
Not the first time O'Conner has handed in a dodgy card. I had Vasquez winning by at least 5 rounds. Maybe O'Conner thought that his punches lacked power, well in that case I hope he referees Vasquez next fight and 'accidentally' gets one in the chops.
Not the first time O'Conner has handed in a dodgy card. I had Vasquez winning by at least 5 rounds. Maybe O'Conner thought that his punches lacked power, well in that case I hope he referees Vasquez next fight and 'accidentally' gets one in the chops.
Can I ask what you lot think of Nikita Ababiy?
He certainly seems to have all the necessary attributes to do well, although I guess he is relatively untested as a Pro. He did fairly well as an amateur too. He seems to attract a lot of attention but that might because his promoters are doing their job, rather than he is a truly talented boxer.
He certainly seems to have all the necessary attributes to do well, although I guess he is relatively untested as a Pro. He did fairly well as an amateur too. He seems to attract a lot of attention but that might because his promoters are doing their job, rather than he is a truly talented boxer.
hyphen said:
I don't know anything about him yet.
Tyson Fury back in action 11th Dec, London. Opponent tbc but rumours it might be Carlos Takam
Think Takam is a good opponent for Fury. He’s a durable guy, but small (for a heavyweight) Fury needs to watch his head, as he definitely uses it “accidentally” on the inside a lot. Takam did that with Joshua, Parker and Chisora. Think Fury’s reach, movement and skills will give him the great homecoming he wants. Shame for him and team that there’s no fans allowed. On a plus side a good victory by both Fury and Joshua sets up the mega fight for June, fingers crossed C19 gets KO’d before then. Tyson Fury back in action 11th Dec, London. Opponent tbc but rumours it might be Carlos Takam
ThePackMan said:
hyphen said:
I don't know anything about him yet.
Tyson Fury back in action 11th Dec, London. Opponent tbc but rumours it might be Carlos Takam
Think Takam is a good opponent for Fury. He’s a durable guy, but small (for a heavyweight) Fury needs to watch his head, as he definitely uses it “accidentally” on the inside a lot. Takam did that with Joshua, Parker and Chisora. Think Fury’s reach, movement and skills will give him the great homecoming he wants. Shame for him and team that there’s no fans allowed. On a plus side a good victory by both Fury and Joshua sets up the mega fight for June, fingers crossed C19 gets KO’d before then. Tyson Fury back in action 11th Dec, London. Opponent tbc but rumours it might be Carlos Takam
Taylor James said:
I'm probably in a minority who thinks Brook can beat Crawford but only with a top trainer team behind him. I hope he is going to recruit someone quickly but if he has some weird DIY plan he has next to no chance.
Well he doesn't have a DIY plan you will be pleased to know, but he also doesn't want a recognised top training team neither.He has hired some bloke he saw on Instagram to train him
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/54681867
Would any of you chaps be involved with underage boxing coaching?
I boxed from I was 8 to 16, and now my son has taken up the sport aged 7. I'm keen for him to find his own way and leave it to the club to coach him, but he wants me to give him some training at home, which I'm happy to do. But I suspect I may shortly be asked to help the club too as it's growing rapidly. I feel I've a fair bit to offer when it comes to sparring and fighting, but I've never really trained anyone at sports, so looking for any pointers, guides or words of wisdom? I works out I could be the next Enzo Calzaghe / Jack Mosley / Floyd Mayweather
I boxed from I was 8 to 16, and now my son has taken up the sport aged 7. I'm keen for him to find his own way and leave it to the club to coach him, but he wants me to give him some training at home, which I'm happy to do. But I suspect I may shortly be asked to help the club too as it's growing rapidly. I feel I've a fair bit to offer when it comes to sparring and fighting, but I've never really trained anyone at sports, so looking for any pointers, guides or words of wisdom? I works out I could be the next Enzo Calzaghe / Jack Mosley / Floyd Mayweather
Now there's a question that doesn't have a simple answer!
Know your audience - age, why they're there (for the crack, with their mates or are they serious about fighting?) and adapt your training accordingly. Kids in particular need to enjoy it otherwise they'll stop coming - there's an awful lot of competing choice out there for young people nowadays. Play is one of the most powerful ways to learn things.
The biggest mistake that everybody makes (myself included) is trying to teach them too much in one go. There is so much to learn and you want to pass all of that knowledge over to them as fast as you can but it can only be learned through training and time. You'll have to constantly reign yourself in when somebody asks; 'but couldn't you do this...'
What do you want to leave them with - discipline? attitude? technique? depth of knowledge?
My son plays Div 1/District football and had an amazing coach from about the age of 4 to 9. A massive and scary centre half who loved them all to pieces but used to scream at them, come wind, rain or snow. But what an impression he left on them. Lots couldn't hack it and left, but those that stayed will take what they learned about not giving up, grit and fighting through adversity for the rest of their lives. What do you want to give the kids?
Have a quick skim over the four stages of learning. Not something to teach the kids, but it will help you frame how people learn new skills. If you understand that, you can pick up on where people are in their training which again allows you to adapt how you're teaching them. https://thepeakperformancecenter.com/educational-l...
Oh and tell them what you're going to teach them, teach them, then remind them of what you've taught them
I'll let the pro coaches jump in now and correct all of the above
Know your audience - age, why they're there (for the crack, with their mates or are they serious about fighting?) and adapt your training accordingly. Kids in particular need to enjoy it otherwise they'll stop coming - there's an awful lot of competing choice out there for young people nowadays. Play is one of the most powerful ways to learn things.
The biggest mistake that everybody makes (myself included) is trying to teach them too much in one go. There is so much to learn and you want to pass all of that knowledge over to them as fast as you can but it can only be learned through training and time. You'll have to constantly reign yourself in when somebody asks; 'but couldn't you do this...'
What do you want to leave them with - discipline? attitude? technique? depth of knowledge?
My son plays Div 1/District football and had an amazing coach from about the age of 4 to 9. A massive and scary centre half who loved them all to pieces but used to scream at them, come wind, rain or snow. But what an impression he left on them. Lots couldn't hack it and left, but those that stayed will take what they learned about not giving up, grit and fighting through adversity for the rest of their lives. What do you want to give the kids?
Have a quick skim over the four stages of learning. Not something to teach the kids, but it will help you frame how people learn new skills. If you understand that, you can pick up on where people are in their training which again allows you to adapt how you're teaching them. https://thepeakperformancecenter.com/educational-l...
Oh and tell them what you're going to teach them, teach them, then remind them of what you've taught them
I'll let the pro coaches jump in now and correct all of the above
JuniorD said:
Would any of you chaps be involved with underage boxing coaching?
I boxed from I was 8 to 16, and now my son has taken up the sport aged 7. I'm keen for him to find his own way and leave it to the club to coach him, but he wants me to give him some training at home, which I'm happy to do. But I suspect I may shortly be asked to help the club too as it's growing rapidly. I feel I've a fair bit to offer when it comes to sparring and fighting, but I've never really trained anyone at sports, so looking for any pointers, guides or words of wisdom? I works out I could be the next Enzo Calzaghe / Jack Mosley / Floyd Mayweather
Patience is the key. Especially as its your boy. I boxed from I was 8 to 16, and now my son has taken up the sport aged 7. I'm keen for him to find his own way and leave it to the club to coach him, but he wants me to give him some training at home, which I'm happy to do. But I suspect I may shortly be asked to help the club too as it's growing rapidly. I feel I've a fair bit to offer when it comes to sparring and fighting, but I've never really trained anyone at sports, so looking for any pointers, guides or words of wisdom? I works out I could be the next Enzo Calzaghe / Jack Mosley / Floyd Mayweather
Is the club an England boxing amateur registered club? If so I'm pretty sure you need to have a dbs check and go on the child welfare course - this is to protect you also. If you want to coach you should do a first aid course and the level 1. Level 1 is basic (for someone experienced) but it is procedure. You won't be able to hold a sparring session till you're a level 2 coach iirc.
Might be hard to find courses now because of corona.
As for actually teaching (in general and child specific) there are loads of theories out there. Its a case of doing a smidge of research, seeing which theory clicks with you.
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