The **BOXING** thread (Vol 3)
Discussion
hyphen said:
+1 to can't wait for the fight!!!
Joshua decided to open his mouth again without his PR peoples approval... He says the fight is on too late so he isn't going to bother watching. He should be ringside or there as a pundit.
I feel Anthonys pain. I also hate these US fights.Joshua decided to open his mouth again without his PR peoples approval... He says the fight is on too late so he isn't going to bother watching. He should be ringside or there as a pundit.
I love a good Steak dinner and a glass of good wine but if the only choice was to have it at 5am I would pass on it.
I will drag myself up at 4am to watch the fight but it certainly spoils the occasion. I have loved the way we pull enormous crowds into stadiums in this country in recent years as it means we have a decent chance of hosting these big fights.
I see Fury winning this. Probably on points, but he might just be able to finish the job in th later rounds. Ortiz hurt Wilder, whereas if Fury uses his southpaw stance to replicate that work then he'll have the height advantage that Ortiz didn't have.
Obviously, if Wilder can land a windmill then it's game over.
There's my bet. Fury on points. Might put a tenner on a KO win too.
Obviously, if Wilder can land a windmill then it's game over.
There's my bet. Fury on points. Might put a tenner on a KO win too.
StuTheGrouch said:
I see Fury winning this. Probably on points, but he might just be able to finish the job in th later rounds. Ortiz hurt Wilder, whereas if Fury uses his southpaw stance to replicate that work then he'll have the height advantage that Ortiz didn't have.
Obviously, if Wilder can land a windmill then it's game over.
There's my bet. Fury on points. Might put a tenner on a KO win too.
Does Tyson have enough power? Haye was saying this week that having sparred with Wilder and having hit him with some of his power shots, he rates Wilder's chin.Obviously, if Wilder can land a windmill then it's game over.
There's my bet. Fury on points. Might put a tenner on a KO win too.
https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/449711/deontay-...
19 KO wins out of 27 suggests he carries a reasonable level of power. He clearly doesn't have the one punch concussive power of Wilder (or AJ), but he isn't a soft puncher. Plus, the way Wilder can get countered (watch that video on the previous page) when his feet are squared means he will be vulnerable to a flash knock-down. The fact it hasn't happened yet is bloody surprising!
hyphen said:
StuTheGrouch said:
I see Fury winning this. Probably on points, but he might just be able to finish the job in th later rounds. Ortiz hurt Wilder, whereas if Fury uses his southpaw stance to replicate that work then he'll have the height advantage that Ortiz didn't have.
Obviously, if Wilder can land a windmill then it's game over.
There's my bet. Fury on points. Might put a tenner on a KO win too.
Does Tyson have enough power? Haye was saying this week that having sparred with Wilder and having hit him with some of his power shots, he rates Wilder's chin.Obviously, if Wilder can land a windmill then it's game over.
There's my bet. Fury on points. Might put a tenner on a KO win too.
https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/449711/deontay-...
no talk of the weekends action boys!!??
from monte carlo daniyar yeleussenov was an absolute text book example of what young kids should be taught in every gym. his head movement, balance and poise are flawless...he's only a few fights into his pro career but i see his power developing over the next few fights too...kind of like lomachenko's did..
rest of the card was a bit meh...
the bivol/pascal fight was surprising that it went the full 12.....pascal took A LOT of punishment in that fight...
bivol starting to look really classy now.
very exciting stuff on the undercard. these eastern bock amateur standouts are all having a good crack.
israil madrimov made his pro debut IN A TEN ROUNDER!!!!!! and looked phenomenal stopping his opponent. as an amateur his record was insane..yet another uzbek superstar in the making...world champion in double quick time this guy.
shakram giyosov...another uzbek standout..world amateur champion and olympic silver medallist (losing to yeleussenov in the final) absolutely smashing it as a pro so far ...
murodjon akhmadaliev....olympic bronze, worlds silver and asian games gold as an amateur.....another blinder from, you guessed it, uzbekistan.....looking really promising as a pro so far.. 6-0(5ko)
the amateur systems of these countries like khazakstan,uzbekistan,ukraine etc.....well it's insanely good isn't it?!!...and the fact they all seem to get ready for the pros coming through their respective national teams in the WSB .....the rest of the world should sit up and take note because these (realively) tiny countries are ripping it up and punching way above their weight in pro boxing.
from monte carlo daniyar yeleussenov was an absolute text book example of what young kids should be taught in every gym. his head movement, balance and poise are flawless...he's only a few fights into his pro career but i see his power developing over the next few fights too...kind of like lomachenko's did..
rest of the card was a bit meh...
the bivol/pascal fight was surprising that it went the full 12.....pascal took A LOT of punishment in that fight...
bivol starting to look really classy now.
very exciting stuff on the undercard. these eastern bock amateur standouts are all having a good crack.
israil madrimov made his pro debut IN A TEN ROUNDER!!!!!! and looked phenomenal stopping his opponent. as an amateur his record was insane..yet another uzbek superstar in the making...world champion in double quick time this guy.
shakram giyosov...another uzbek standout..world amateur champion and olympic silver medallist (losing to yeleussenov in the final) absolutely smashing it as a pro so far ...
murodjon akhmadaliev....olympic bronze, worlds silver and asian games gold as an amateur.....another blinder from, you guessed it, uzbekistan.....looking really promising as a pro so far.. 6-0(5ko)
the amateur systems of these countries like khazakstan,uzbekistan,ukraine etc.....well it's insanely good isn't it?!!...and the fact they all seem to get ready for the pros coming through their respective national teams in the WSB .....the rest of the world should sit up and take note because these (realively) tiny countries are ripping it up and punching way above their weight in pro boxing.
theboyfold said:
hyphen said:
StuTheGrouch said:
I see Fury winning this. Probably on points, but he might just be able to finish the job in th later rounds. Ortiz hurt Wilder, whereas if Fury uses his southpaw stance to replicate that work then he'll have the height advantage that Ortiz didn't have.
Obviously, if Wilder can land a windmill then it's game over.
There's my bet. Fury on points. Might put a tenner on a KO win too.
Does Tyson have enough power? Haye was saying this week that having sparred with Wilder and having hit him with some of his power shots, he rates Wilder's chin.Obviously, if Wilder can land a windmill then it's game over.
There's my bet. Fury on points. Might put a tenner on a KO win too.
https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/449711/deontay-...
I actually think he'll be more focussed than ever - He's aware of the stakes, has had a long rest and hopefully put some demons to bed.
I never really liked Fury around the 'Vlad fight time' but having seen what he's been through, the mistakes he's made and how he's trying to come back then I certainly have respect for him.
I think he'll do wilder and I'll be routing for our Brit.
Fury has apparently said he will give all of his £8m purse to the homeless and needy.
Imagine if Joshua did that!? The papers and News would be falling over themselves to report on it. will probably barely get a mention as its Fury though. They make their quick judgements on his views on homosexuality (he's not homophobic just says that God will judge them on their judgement day as it says so in the bible) but put him down themselves purely because he's a Gypsy.
Imagine if Joshua did that!? The papers and News would be falling over themselves to report on it. will probably barely get a mention as its Fury though. They make their quick judgements on his views on homosexuality (he's not homophobic just says that God will judge them on their judgement day as it says so in the bible) but put him down themselves purely because he's a Gypsy.
NuckyThompson said:
Fury has apparently said he will give all of his £8m purse to the homeless and needy.
Imagine if Joshua did that!? The papers and News would be falling over themselves to report on it. will probably barely get a mention as its Fury though. They make their quick judgements on his views on homosexuality (he's not homophobic just says that God will judge them on their judgement day as it says so in the bible) but put him down themselves purely because he's a Gypsy.
he doesn't get judged for his gypsy heritage, he gets judged on his outbursts and actions. he seems to have become far more subdued of late ..... and far more personable because of it.Imagine if Joshua did that!? The papers and News would be falling over themselves to report on it. will probably barely get a mention as its Fury though. They make their quick judgements on his views on homosexuality (he's not homophobic just says that God will judge them on their judgement day as it says so in the bible) but put him down themselves purely because he's a Gypsy.
tyson fury...."There are only three things that need to be accomplished before the devil comes home: one of them is homosexuality being legal in countries, one of them is abortion and the other one's paedophilia."
nobody made quick judgements on that statement. he compared homosexuality to paedophilia. moronic outburst at best, deeply offensive to the gay community and inflammatory.
i'm not going into this in detail but when you come out with stuff like that along with all the other stuff like his anti semitic rant, well, you can't just un-say things like that.
i don't recall other fighters of gypsy heritage getting flak like this. andy lee, michael gomez, gary buckland....all very popular fighters.
billy joe saunders gets a lot of stick. i wonder if it's because he's gypsy or because he makes little videos offering drugs to vulnerable homeless drug addicts to punch innocent passers by in the face from the driving seat of his rolls royce??
perhaps if fury hadn't failed a drugs test and acted quite shockingly the media would more readily accept him.
theboyfold said:
Big step up for Buatsi, should be a good one!
Defo pal...Huge step up and Johnson proved in the beterbiev fight he can really dish it out.....Callum is excellent at short range... buatsi looks like world beater already and has shown he is equally comfortable in close or using his footwork on the outside....I think if he tries to have a fire fight with Johnson it's a risky task but if he stays on the outside and opens him up it can be a great win for him.
As much as I respect and like Johnson I see buatsi as having the edge... I don't think he bangs as hard as beterbiev so I predict a points victory for Joshua here
15th December 21 year old Daniel Dubois vs 31 year old Razvan Cojanu - Brentwood Centre/BT Sport.
Razvan fought Parker in 2017 and didn't do well, however lost on points, so will be interesting to see if Daniel can knock him out and quickly.
Razvan fought Parker in 2017 and didn't do well, however lost on points, so will be interesting to see if Daniel can knock him out and quickly.
Edited by hyphen on Tuesday 27th November 12:57
Do people see Tyson getting a decision against Wilder in LA if the fight is remotely close or competitive?
Unfortunately I don't. Thinking back to the scoring of Wilder vs Ortiz around 6 rounds in every judge had Wilder up on the cars didn't they? Considering Wilder for me had barely won a round at that point, I am not so optimistic of a point decision.
That part of it aside, I see a mid to late rounds KO by Wilder, or if Tyson is elusive and his feet are still close to as good as they were a controversial SD.
I have my doubts about Tyson's reasons for taking this fight too, part of me thinks its a cash out and he prefers to lose to Wilder in a big money fight in the US than to AJ (for obvious reasons).
Buatsi would beat Johnson now IMO. It's a big step up but I actually think he is levels above talent wise (elite level talent vs a good solid fighter) and would beat him fairly comfortably. Hosea Burton would be a harder fight for Buatsi IMO due to his height, awkwardness and skill. Calum hit's hard but won't be able to live with Buatsi speed and precision at all.
Frank Buglioni has probably done the right thing in retiring, had a very decent career and at this stage would get beaten by any of top domestic fighters at LH (for not much money...) so right thing to retire. The fight vs Burton was one of the best domestic fights of the past 2-3 years..
Unfortunately I don't. Thinking back to the scoring of Wilder vs Ortiz around 6 rounds in every judge had Wilder up on the cars didn't they? Considering Wilder for me had barely won a round at that point, I am not so optimistic of a point decision.
That part of it aside, I see a mid to late rounds KO by Wilder, or if Tyson is elusive and his feet are still close to as good as they were a controversial SD.
I have my doubts about Tyson's reasons for taking this fight too, part of me thinks its a cash out and he prefers to lose to Wilder in a big money fight in the US than to AJ (for obvious reasons).
Buatsi would beat Johnson now IMO. It's a big step up but I actually think he is levels above talent wise (elite level talent vs a good solid fighter) and would beat him fairly comfortably. Hosea Burton would be a harder fight for Buatsi IMO due to his height, awkwardness and skill. Calum hit's hard but won't be able to live with Buatsi speed and precision at all.
Frank Buglioni has probably done the right thing in retiring, had a very decent career and at this stage would get beaten by any of top domestic fighters at LH (for not much money...) so right thing to retire. The fight vs Burton was one of the best domestic fights of the past 2-3 years..
There's no way Fury gets the decision if its a remotely competitive fight. That said, if it goes 12 rounds I doubt it'll have been remotely competitive, just Fury making Wilder look like a useless t
t until the final bell like he did with Klitschko. Wilder by decision feels really unlikely to me
t until the final bell like he did with Klitschko. Wilder by decision feels really unlikely to meI wouldn’t call myself a Tyson Fury fanboy by any stretch of the imagination but I am warming to him recently. The opposite can be said for BJS I used to really like Him but through recent events can not stand him now! Wilder in Nando’s, failed drugs test, his son punching Willie Monroe Jr, drug addict video and another activities prove how much of a scumbag he is. If anyone ever criticizes him then he plays the gypsy card.
I think it is harsh to say Fury is cashing out for a pay day though. The training he has put in in the last 12months to get in the shape he is in now, overcoming the mental health issues and basing himself away from the uk in big bear for the camp all prove to me that he is putting absoloutely everything into this - especially if he is giving his purse away! All the best to him
I think it is harsh to say Fury is cashing out for a pay day though. The training he has put in in the last 12months to get in the shape he is in now, overcoming the mental health issues and basing himself away from the uk in big bear for the camp all prove to me that he is putting absoloutely everything into this - especially if he is giving his purse away! All the best to him
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