The **BOXING** thread (Vol 3)
Discussion
Ridealong said:
Sweet Pea was a great boxer, got robbed twice (Ramirez and Chavez) when the WBC appointed judges favor Don King fighters.
Only beaten by judges. Heavy heart for his passing given he was only a few years older than I.
His dodge and weave, you cannot hit me and if you can, it wont hurt me because I'm moving away style is still to be reproduced in the modern game. He made fools of many men. Pure epitome of defence is offence and then the bang, which was a proper bang because in the same way as he could judge when to step away he knew when to step in and it was always when the opponent had momentum towards him. Clever fighter!!
Sweet Pea, RIP.
Trophy Husband said:
Ridealong said:
Sweet Pea was a great boxer, got robbed twice (Ramirez and Chavez) when the WBC appointed judges favor Don King fighters.
Only beaten by judges. Heavy heart for his passing given he was only a few years older than I.
His dodge and weave, you cannot hit me and if you can, it wont hurt me because I'm moving away style is still to be reproduced in the modern game. He made fools of many men. Pure epitome of defence is offence and then the bang, which was a proper bang because in the same way as he could judge when to step away he knew when to step in and it was always when the opponent had momentum towards him. Clever fighter!!
Sweet Pea, RIP.
Rumours that Joshua is looking for a new trainer to either replace or compliment Mckracken. I think that's probably a good shout. We don't know how much of the problem is Joshua and how much the trainer but I don't think he's looked that well prepared for a fight since he beat Klitschko and he was boxing fundementally dumb against Ruiz. He needs somebody who can teach him to use his jab more effectively and defend better.
biggbn said:
Trophy Husband said:
Ridealong said:
Sweet Pea was a great boxer, got robbed twice (Ramirez and Chavez) when the WBC appointed judges favor Don King fighters.
Only beaten by judges. Heavy heart for his passing given he was only a few years older than I.
His dodge and weave, you cannot hit me and if you can, it wont hurt me because I'm moving away style is still to be reproduced in the modern game. He made fools of many men. Pure epitome of defence is offence and then the bang, which was a proper bang because in the same way as he could judge when to step away he knew when to step in and it was always when the opponent had momentum towards him. Clever fighter!!
Sweet Pea, RIP.
Taylor James said:
Beauty of sport - we don't know, we only think we know and different opinions make it interesting. 
TBH I was being a little provocative in my statement. Just because I believe Yarde will lose doesn't mean I believe his chances are literally zero. I've setout my reasoning earlier as to why I believe Kovelev will win - and of course Kovelev is getting old, but he knows he can be juiced to the gills for this fight and get away with it as it being setup at such short notice. There is no way Canelo, who himself is partial to a few ped's, would have let Kovelev come into a fight with him so little vada testing.
Taylor James said:
biggbn said:
Trophy Husband said:
Ridealong said:
Sweet Pea was a great boxer, got robbed twice (Ramirez and Chavez) when the WBC appointed judges favor Don King fighters.
Only beaten by judges. Heavy heart for his passing given he was only a few years older than I.
His dodge and weave, you cannot hit me and if you can, it wont hurt me because I'm moving away style is still to be reproduced in the modern game. He made fools of many men. Pure epitome of defence is offence and then the bang, which was a proper bang because in the same way as he could judge when to step away he knew when to step in and it was always when the opponent had momentum towards him. Clever fighter!!
Sweet Pea, RIP.
biggbn said:
Taylor James said:
biggbn said:
Trophy Husband said:
Ridealong said:
Sweet Pea was a great boxer, got robbed twice (Ramirez and Chavez) when the WBC appointed judges favor Don King fighters.
Only beaten by judges. Heavy heart for his passing given he was only a few years older than I.
His dodge and weave, you cannot hit me and if you can, it wont hurt me because I'm moving away style is still to be reproduced in the modern game. He made fools of many men. Pure epitome of defence is offence and then the bang, which was a proper bang because in the same way as he could judge when to step away he knew when to step in and it was always when the opponent had momentum towards him. Clever fighter!!
Sweet Pea, RIP.
That's before we get to refereeing. I'd like to see Floyd with no money having 8 fights a year against top level hungry men and unable to control or influence judges or referees. I'm not so sure his undoubted ability would have got him through 50 fights unbeaten in that era.
Fun to speculate of course.
EddieSteadyGo said:
Taylor James said:
Beauty of sport - we don't know, we only think we know and different opinions make it interesting.
TBH I was being a little provocative in my statement. Just because I believe Yarde will lose doesn't mean I believe his chances are literally zero. I've setout my reasoning earlier as to why I believe Kovelev will win - and of course Kovelev is getting old, but he knows he can be juiced to the gills for this fight and get away with it as it being setup at such short notice. There is no way Canelo, who himself is partial to a few ped's, would have let Kovelev come into a fight with him so little vada testing.
Fortunately we'll know soon enough.
Taylor James said:
EddieSteadyGo said:
Taylor James said:
Beauty of sport - we don't know, we only think we know and different opinions make it interesting.
TBH I was being a little provocative in my statement. Just because I believe Yarde will lose doesn't mean I believe his chances are literally zero. I've setout my reasoning earlier as to why I believe Kovelev will win - and of course Kovelev is getting old, but he knows he can be juiced to the gills for this fight and get away with it as it being setup at such short notice. There is no way Canelo, who himself is partial to a few ped's, would have let Kovelev come into a fight with him so little vada testing.
Fortunately we'll know soon enough.
Gadgetmac said:
Indeed, I think Yarde is a coming force in boxing and could become a British superstar.
I honestly think you must be basing this on the hype rather than form. Who has he beaten to suggest this is his tractory? And would he even beat someone like Buatsi?I have watched all of Yarde's professional fights - I like him, and I want him to win. But we need to be somewhat realistic - yes, Frank has got him to the mandatory position with the WBO. But that doesn't always mean a huge amount - just look at who the WBO elevated for Saunders to fight for the Supermiddle weight title fairly recently.
If they thought he had a realistic chance of winning, that wouldn't be chasing a payday by taking the fight in Russia (as they know that makes getting the win much more difficult). After all, whilst the purses for this fight are big, it is the champion who will earn the big money in his next fights.
I think his team (Yarde) will be hoping they get out of Russia with a points loss (rather than a KO loss). They can then point to biased judging in Russia and rebuild him before trying again.
EddieSteadyGo said:
Gadgetmac said:
Indeed, I think Yarde is a coming force in boxing and could become a British superstar.
I honestly think you must be basing this on the hype rather than form. Who has he beaten to suggest this is his tractory? And would he even beat someone like Buatsi?I have watched all of Yarde's professional fights - I like him, and I want him to win. But we need to be somewhat realistic - yes, Frank has got him to the mandatory position with the WBO. But that doesn't always mean a huge amount - just look at who the WBO elevated for Saunders to fight for the Supermiddle weight title fairly recently.
If they thought he had a realistic chance of winning, that wouldn't be chasing a payday by taking the fight in Russia (as they know that makes getting the win much more difficult). After all, whilst the purses for this fight are big, it is the champion who will earn the big money in his next fights.
I think his team (Yarde) will be hoping they get out of Russia with a points loss (rather than a KO loss). They can then point to biased judging in Russia and rebuild him before trying again.
I walked Nigel Benn into the ring in his 2nd fight as I worked for Showsec at the time and was blown away by the mans raw ability and fearsome presence. The next day I told everybody that would listen that I had just seen a future world champion and coming force in boxing.
I haven’t been that impressed with a fighter since...until I saw Yarde’s first few fights.
I could easily be wrong...before Benn I was blown away by Errol Christie whilst watching him in the flesh and he turned out to be terribly flawed shortly afterwards.
So my track record of spotting future legends who were almost unknown at the time stands at 1 out of 2.
Gadgetmac said:
What am I basing my opinion of yarde on?
I walked Nigel Benn into the ring in his 2nd fight as I worked for Showsec at the time and was blown away by the mans raw ability and fearsome presence. The next day I told everybody that would listen that I had just seen a future world champion and coming force in boxing.
I haven’t been that impressed with a fighter since...until I saw Yarde’s first few fights.
I could easily be wrong...before Benn I was blown away by Errol Christie whilst watching him in the flesh and he turned out to be terribly flawed shortly afterwards.
So my track record of spotting future legends who were almost unknown at the time stands at 1 out of 2.
With respect, I asked who he has beaten, and your answer is that you like Nigel Benn I walked Nigel Benn into the ring in his 2nd fight as I worked for Showsec at the time and was blown away by the mans raw ability and fearsome presence. The next day I told everybody that would listen that I had just seen a future world champion and coming force in boxing.
I haven’t been that impressed with a fighter since...until I saw Yarde’s first few fights.
I could easily be wrong...before Benn I was blown away by Errol Christie whilst watching him in the flesh and he turned out to be terribly flawed shortly afterwards.
So my track record of spotting future legends who were almost unknown at the time stands at 1 out of 2.
Putting aside the "who has he beaten" question, why would he take the fight in Russia (with all of the clear disadvantages that entails), when the winner of the fight is going to be able to earn a lot more money in his next few fights?
EddieSteadyGo said:
Gadgetmac said:
What am I basing my opinion of yarde on?
I walked Nigel Benn into the ring in his 2nd fight as I worked for Showsec at the time and was blown away by the mans raw ability and fearsome presence. The next day I told everybody that would listen that I had just seen a future world champion and coming force in boxing.
I haven’t been that impressed with a fighter since...until I saw Yarde’s first few fights.
I could easily be wrong...before Benn I was blown away by Errol Christie whilst watching him in the flesh and he turned out to be terribly flawed shortly afterwards.
So my track record of spotting future legends who were almost unknown at the time stands at 1 out of 2.
With respect, I asked who he has beaten, and your answer is that you like Nigel Benn I walked Nigel Benn into the ring in his 2nd fight as I worked for Showsec at the time and was blown away by the mans raw ability and fearsome presence. The next day I told everybody that would listen that I had just seen a future world champion and coming force in boxing.
I haven’t been that impressed with a fighter since...until I saw Yarde’s first few fights.
I could easily be wrong...before Benn I was blown away by Errol Christie whilst watching him in the flesh and he turned out to be terribly flawed shortly afterwards.
So my track record of spotting future legends who were almost unknown at the time stands at 1 out of 2.
Putting aside the "who has he beaten" question, why would he take the fight in Russia (with all of the clear disadvantages that entails), when the winner of the fight is going to be able to earn a lot more money in his next few fights?
As for why he’d take this fight...well if you’ve ever seen the man or his trainer interviewed you’d know they are supremely confident (rightly or wrongly) that Kovalev has little chance.
I’m onboard with that entirely.
Yes, every unbeaten boxer is confident but I sense something more here.
His trainer: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zHM1O2EWHHs
Himself: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=S9Prm8mPcy0
Gadgetmac said:
As for why he’d take this fight...well if you’ve ever seen the man or his trainer interviewed you’d know they are supremely confident (rightly or wrongly) that Kovalev has little chance.
I’m onboard with that entirely.
Yes, every unbeaten boxer is confident but I sense something more here.
His trainer: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zHM1O2EWHHs
Himself: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=S9Prm8mPcy0
They are confident - no question about that - but boxing in your opponent's 'back yard' nearly always gives a significant advantage to the home fighter. And choosing Russia as the location means, unless Yarde literally dominants every round, he isn't going to win by points decision. And there is a reasonable chance the fight will go 12 rounds. I’m onboard with that entirely.
Yes, every unbeaten boxer is confident but I sense something more here.
His trainer: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zHM1O2EWHHs
Himself: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=S9Prm8mPcy0
So why give all that up if behind the scenes they really are confident? As I keep saying, the winner is going to make much more money in their next three fights than Yarde will make in this one. So, if they were truly confident, BT / Queensbury would have put up enough money to get the fight in London (what better way to launch Yarde as BT's proper PPV star?), or if they were fairly confident you would let Arum host it in the US on ESPN+. You only let it go to Russia is you want the pay-day.
Gadgetmac said:
Personally I don't think there's any reasonable chance this fight will go 12 rounds.
As his his trainer says "we won't need score cards".
Honestly, I don't think that is correct. Getting a KO/TKO at world level depends on the attitude and style of both boxers. For example, Yarde could be super aggressive for 12 rounds, but, if Kovalev chooses to box a defensive fight and doesn't take many risks, the fight would be highly likely to go to points. As his his trainer says "we won't need score cards".
I'm not saying this is the approach Kovalev would take in this fight, but getting a knockout isn't just in the hands of Yarde.
Slight aside, at least you have taken a firm stance - it is far easier, but much less interesting, to equivocate. I also like to try and make a clear prediction if I think it is possible (I said Eubank would easily beat DeGale, and Dubois would easily beat Gorman as recent examples). But one of us will need to eat humble pie next month
EddieSteadyGo said:
Gadgetmac said:
Personally I don't think there's any reasonable chance this fight will go 12 rounds.
As his his trainer says "we won't need score cards".
Honestly, I don't think that is correct. Getting a KO/TKO at world level depends on the attitude and style of both boxers. For example, Yarde could be super aggressive for 12 rounds, but, if Kovalev chooses to box a defensive fight and doesn't take many risks, the fight would be highly likely to go to points. As his his trainer says "we won't need score cards".
I'm not saying this is the approach Kovalev would take in this fight, but getting a knockout isn't just in the hands of Yarde.
Slight aside, at least you have taken a firm stance - it is far easier, but much less interesting, to equivocate. I also like to try and make a clear prediction if I think it is possible (I said Eubank would easily beat DeGale, and Dubois would easily beat Gorman as recent examples). But one of us will need to eat humble pie next month
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