The **BOXING** thread (Vol 3)
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ash73 said:
Good effort by Wallin, tagged him in the 12th too I thought Fury might go.
Fury lucky the fight wasn't stopped imo, but he stepped up the pace well.
They both took a beating, much better fight than I expected.
If it had been the other way around I believe it would have been. The cut is huge and the ESPN commentators said it will delay the February 2020 wilder rematch.Fury lucky the fight wasn't stopped imo, but he stepped up the pace well.
They both took a beating, much better fight than I expected.
Fury didnt look like he could figure out the southpaw. He was lucky that Wallins is inexperienced and didnt throw enough lefts to the eye (inexperienced also meaning lack of skill and endurance). A higher tier fighter would have done.
It's a terrible injury to have as they never truly heal and are prone to splitting again. I was watching tyson vs Biggs the other day and in the preamble they mentioned the cut Biggs received in the previous fight, sure enough it reopened.
Lots of analysis of that fight for the Fury camp.
He really did get clipped in the 12th and if there had been more time or another round or 2....
Yeah he looks a flabby slim type. Needs to get rid of that midriff to 'look good'
His uncle was scathing about his team and his weight.
I think fury needed this tough fight to avoid his getting swept away with hype and invincibility.
All part of his development imho. Wilder next is too soon imho.
His uncle was scathing about his team and his weight.
I think fury needed this tough fight to avoid his getting swept away with hype and invincibility.
All part of his development imho. Wilder next is too soon imho.
Tyson's dad isn't happy
Tyson's father said:
John Fury, said he was "proud" of his son for "how he mauled his way through", but also claimed changes needed to be made to the fighter's preparation and team.
"It's the worst I've seen from Tyson," he told BT Sport Box Office. "He has to be honest and say things are not right. For a man to be in that condition after eight weeks camp, it looked like he had nothing after round two.
"His strength and power went tonight. He was as weak as a kitten from the first round. At 18st 1lb, I've warned him and warned him. He is a 19st fighter.
"If I had my way, the lot [Tyson's team] would be gone. If they keep that team that will be his career [gone]."
On the two cuts around the right eye, John Fury said: "An injury like that could finish a career."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/49705685"It's the worst I've seen from Tyson," he told BT Sport Box Office. "He has to be honest and say things are not right. For a man to be in that condition after eight weeks camp, it looked like he had nothing after round two.
"His strength and power went tonight. He was as weak as a kitten from the first round. At 18st 1lb, I've warned him and warned him. He is a 19st fighter.
"If I had my way, the lot [Tyson's team] would be gone. If they keep that team that will be his career [gone]."
On the two cuts around the right eye, John Fury said: "An injury like that could finish a career."
Don't think Dubois will be at a level to beat Fury for years, by which time Fury may well have retired.
If they had a fight anytime soon, would be Mayweather v Canelo.
The thing with Tyson is that he is intelligent and has a boxing brain, so unlike AJ who needs help searching for answers, Fury can self analyse and will have gained a lot from not having it easy in the fight.
Plus you know he wasn't as focused going into a fight with a unnamed fighter as he will be against the known fighters. He won't be doing so much PR stuff in the week of the fight for a start.
Usyk is 6'3 so Tyson at 6'9 could keep him at bay.
If they had a fight anytime soon, would be Mayweather v Canelo.
The thing with Tyson is that he is intelligent and has a boxing brain, so unlike AJ who needs help searching for answers, Fury can self analyse and will have gained a lot from not having it easy in the fight.
Plus you know he wasn't as focused going into a fight with a unnamed fighter as he will be against the known fighters. He won't be doing so much PR stuff in the week of the fight for a start.
Usyk is 6'3 so Tyson at 6'9 could keep him at bay.
272BHP said:
Canelo has balls of steel doesn't he?
The guys first 33 pro fights were at Welterweight and he is now fighting at light heavy. And not just any light heavy but Krusher Kovalev!
Canelo knows himself he can beat an over-the-hill Kovalev, that's why him and GBP want the fight. It will make Canelo's reputation even better.The guys first 33 pro fights were at Welterweight and he is now fighting at light heavy. And not just any light heavy but Krusher Kovalev!
But lets not forget, three years ago Canelo forfeited the WBC middleweight belt to avoid fighting Golovkin that year who was mandatory. And his failed drug tests, the subsequent delaying of their two fights and whining over purses, the judges in his pocket, the many catchweights and his ballooning post weigh-in... Far too much controversy goes with Canelo. His balls aren't as big as it seems after all.
A shame, as he is no doubt a world-class fighter and highly skilled.
I hope there's no re-hydration clauses for this fight, Canelo and GBP are hypocrites if this is the case; how many times did we see him fight for 160lb world titles at a catchweight of 155lb only to then step into the ring on fight night at 170lbs.
Fwiw, I think he will beat Kovalev by going to the body. And if by some miracle Kovalev outboxes him over the distance we know the judges will give the nod to Canelo. I'd fancy the chances of the Kovalev from 3-4 years ago (who imo beat Andre Ward in their first fight), but not now.
ash73 said:
His jabs with both hands are blooming solid though, and relentless! Contrast that with AJ who was tapping Ruiz and then lunging in with wild hooks.
I’ve seen plenty of comments from Fury sparring partners who have said he does hit plenty hard when he plants his feet. Fury’s game is constant movement to which end he is often somewhat off balance at all times. Haven’t seen the Wallin fight yet but would like to have seen him holding his feet more and using upper body movement and his guard for defence and explore more of that side of his game if possible. Il echo what others have said though he is more of a natural boxer than the likes of AJ and Wilder and more able to make adjustments in a fight than them.
Again will have yo watch the fight but not sure of the criticism of Davison either, Fury was never going to look scintillating after that cut early in the fight, it takes a whole new way of fighting to protect that cut for 9 rounds.
just watched Mike Tyson's '86-'88 highlights again for the first time in a few years. Wow. I still believe that fighter today would clean out today's heavyweight division.
His demolition of Larry Holmes, Tony Tubbs and Michael Spinks was peak Tyson. Imagine if he didn't dump Kevin Rooney and Cus' peak-a-boo style after the Michael Spinks fight - what could have been... and he was still only 21 years old at that point! Scary.
it was like watching a completely different Tyson fighting Frank Bruno in 1989
sloppy, little defence and going for one-punch knockouts.
Rumour has it that Kevin Rooney and his team were looking at fighting Holyfield after the Michael Spinks fight - now that would have been epic.
His demolition of Larry Holmes, Tony Tubbs and Michael Spinks was peak Tyson. Imagine if he didn't dump Kevin Rooney and Cus' peak-a-boo style after the Michael Spinks fight - what could have been... and he was still only 21 years old at that point! Scary.
it was like watching a completely different Tyson fighting Frank Bruno in 1989
sloppy, little defence and going for one-punch knockouts.Rumour has it that Kevin Rooney and his team were looking at fighting Holyfield after the Michael Spinks fight - now that would have been epic.
TobyTR said:
just watched Mike Tyson's '86-'88 highlights again for the first time in a few years. Wow. I still believe that fighter today would clean out today's heavyweight division.
I think all the top boxers of the late 80s and early 90s in the HW division would easily beat everyone around these days. Holyfield, Bowe, Lewis and Tyson in their peaks would all be number 1. The division is exciting but it's not very good. andburg said:
Brook back with Ingle again
I fail to see who's there for him to beat at 154, 160lb should be off the cards.
A 'tune-up' at 154lb at the end of this year, then boil back down to 147lb for Khan next spring would be my guess on his ideal plan. He is also calling out Crawford, so that would be another 147lb fight. I fail to see who's there for him to beat at 154, 160lb should be off the cards.
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