The **BOXING** thread (Vol 3)

[tuscaneer]

I dont mind a distance fight as long as I'm getting to see the craft, the adjustments being made, the traps set and set ups executed....

[coolchris]

Was Joshua really that impressive or was Ruiz really that bad ? I think it was a combo of the both. Ruiz looked in terrible condition clearly the belts have gone to his head and it is a shambles to be getting into a boxing ring in that condition.

Ruiz must have known he was way down by the middle rounds apart from a few clumsy crude attacks he just seemed to lack ambition and urgency. In some ways it reminded me of the Price Allen fight Joshua was allowed to dictate the pace with very little really coming back hence he was able to keep his composure and not gass out.

It was all well and good Ruiz plodding forward but it's of little help if you dont just try to let your hands go. The fact at the end of the fight he looked like he was hardly out of breath really to me shows how hard he really tried your heavyweight champ of the world for god sake at that level you've got to leave it all in the ring.Ive seen plenty of amateurs show 10 times more heart and desire than that fighting for a trophy to say at the end let's do number 3 mmm I don't think anybody wants to see that again in a hurry.

[hyphen]

tuscaneer said:

Halb said:

lord trumpton said:

Off topic but where is tusc these days?

he's actually Ruiz

hey... cheeky get i'm A COUPLE of lbs under fatboy

[hyphen]

epom said:

It’s only bigger Ruiz is gonna get. His promoters need to get him another fight as fast as they can while they can.

Luiz is now a lot of risk for little additional reward, promoters will stay clear for any of their top fighters or future prospects. So that leaves Price, Povetkin, chisora and so on. Would be surprised if Whyte was game for it.

Fury will fancy it though. Ortiz vs Ruiz would be very interesting.

Edited by hyphen on Sunday 8th December 12:03

[hyphen]

coolchris said:

Was Joshua really that impressive or was Ruiz really that bad ? I think it was a combo of the both. Ruiz looked in terrible condition clearly the belts have gone to his head and it is a shambles to be getting into a boxing ring in that condition.

Ruiz must have known he was way down by the middle rounds apart from a few clumsy crude attacks he just seemed to lack ambition and urgency. In some ways it reminded me of the Price Allen fight Joshua was allowed to dictate the pace with very little really coming back hence he was able to keep his composure and not gass out.

It was all well and good Ruiz plodding forward but it's of little help if you dont just try to let your hands go. The fact at the end of the fight he looked like he was hardly out of breath really to me shows how hard he really tried your heavyweight champ of the world for god sake at that level you've got to leave it all in the ring.Ive seen plenty of amateurs show 10 times more heart and desire than that fighting for a trophy to say at the end let's do number 3 mmm I don't think anybody wants to see that again in a hurry.

Ruizs style is to come forward and hit on the counter. If his opponent doesn't trade then he doesn't have a plan b.

If he was superfit he could have made more of it, but he didn't have the speed to close the ring down, AJ could easily dance off to one side or another. And AJ was working very hard, was a chess match in there.

Wilder would be a better test, someone who AJ needs to run from in a fight, but who is athletic and offensive and will make it tough to do so.

[rich12]

Ruiz doesn't deserve anymore decent fights imo.

He had all this time to train and prepare but instead he openly admits all he did was enjoy the money and not worry about prep for the fight.

[Mothersruin]

Sorry to have a bit of a downer on what was a good box from AJ, he still looked very flustered when he took some shots. If his only defence is to be able to move well, then one half decent shot will slow those legs right down and he'll dead in the water, so to speak.

Ruiz realised that AJ was going for the hold as soon as he got anywhere close and started swinging uppercuts knowing AJ was going to walk into them - I think AJ was lucky to a degree that nothing really landed.

But he didn't look comfortable in all aspects.

[Nik Gnashers]

Whyte looked in terrible shape too.
Least he ground out a win though.......Understandable when UKAD and the WBC virtually killed any momentum he had in his career.
Making him wait over 6 months for a decision on his B sample, and then just saying you're cleared of any wrong doing' no compensation or apology ! That just ermm takes the piss

[pneumothorax]

AJ cannot win! Well he can. I just don't understand the negativity from many including my group of friends. I was at MSG and that was a crushing defeat, the chap has gone away, worked on a game plan and altered his whole approach, thought it was brilliant. I also think those that think he no longer has dig in his shots at this new weight, are underestimating Ruiz's chin. He took "big AJ's" best straight rights at MSG and barely blinked, that lad has an amazing set of whiskers. Thinking AJ needs to fight more regularly for my money, homecoming 02 night against Pulev and then Usyk in the summer (before he really gets to grips with heavyweight). Interesting times!

[Davos123]

Mothersruin said:

Sorry to have a bit of a downer on what was a good box from AJ, he still looked very flustered when he took some shots. If his only defence is to be able to move well, then one half decent shot will slow those legs right down and he'll dead in the water, so to speak.

It's the heavyweight division - all fighters get flustered when they get hit by big shots. Ruiz never had him in any serious trouble, he's allowed to feel getting hit in the face by a 285lb dude.

[anonymous-user]

Fittster said:

ELUSIVEJIM said:

Fittster said:

Scared of being hit or had taken a lesson from Vlad (who after getting put down, spent a huge part of his very successful career ensuring he didn't take risks, even if his fights became very boring)?

Yes, its a way of staying out of trouble and can be very effective. I just can't see AJ being as good as Fury when it comes to this way of fighting.

AJ still has moments when he loses a bit of control. He was better in that way tonight.

Hopefully, we get to see what will happen in 2020.

But AJ can hit harder than Fury. It's all very well being highly skilled but if your opponent is still standing at the end of round 12 it's off to the judges, who sometimes come up with strange decisions.

Fury's record isn't all that. Besides Vlad, who else has he beaten?

Many would say Wilder.

[FredClogs]

ELUSIVEJIM said:

Many would say Wilder.

Everyone would say Wilder

[Fittster]

FredClogs said:

ELUSIVEJIM said:

Many would say Wilder.

Everyone would say Wilder

If your punches don't do much damage and you are picking yourself off the canvas, good luck with judges.

[g4ry13]

Fittster said:

FredClogs said:

ELUSIVEJIM said:

Many would say Wilder.

Everyone would say Wilder

If your punches don't do much damage and you are picking yourself off the canvas, good luck with judges.

Fury only went down in the last round. The scores for the other 11 rounds would have been submitted prior to that so it shouldn't influence the whole judging for the fight.

[Daniel1]

g4ry13 said:

Fury only went down in the last round. The scores for the other 11 rounds would have been submitted prior to that so it shouldn't influence the whole judging for the fight.

And in the 9th iirc

[g4ry13]

Daniel1 said:

g4ry13 said:

Fury only went down in the last round. The scores for the other 11 rounds would have been submitted prior to that so it shouldn't influence the whole judging for the fight.

And in the 9th iirc

Correct, I just had a look back at it.

[272BHP]

As I suspected Joshua has revealed that he had 'health issues' before the first fight.

This makes a lot of sense as he was clearly not 100% - he won't reveal what the problem was though.

[philv]

FredClogs said:

ELUSIVEJIM said:

Many would say Wilder.

Everyone would say Wilder

Not me.
Go to a champion's home ground and get put down twice in two 2 pointer rounds.
That is 4 points down with 10 rounds left to score.
You seriously think it impossible that he couldn't have got another 3 points in sone close rounds out of the other 10 rounds?

Logically ridiculous all the rubbish about being robbed.

[dangerousB]

272BHP said:

I was disappointed in Ruiz though coming in so heavy.

Eyes of the world on you and a huge prize to go for and he can't even be bothered to get himself in the same awful shape as in the first fight.

Unforgivably lazy.

Absolutely.

And that's taking nothing away from Joshua - that was an impeccable, disciplined performance. He's had to overcome significant psychological barriers and has obviously worked his butt off since his loss.

I just can't get my head around Ruiz though. He's done the total opposite. I get the fact that he suddenly landed in the limelight, got more money than he's ever seen in his life. Totally understand the temptations that would bring, but WTF was he doing in preparation for this?

He was a pretty dreadful physical specimen in the first fight, but he took it at short notice, so I could get that (to an extent), but to have SIX months prep and come in significantly WORSE shape is absolutely unfathomable to me.

He put on 6% of his bodyweight in 6 months whilst training for the biggest challenge of his professional career. A truly career defining moment. If he'd been successful, he would have had the world at his feet. If you can't do it for your own self respect, then at least do it for the fans that pay to watch or travel to watch you perform. You're (supposedly) a professional sportsman.

Totally bizarre.

[hyphen]

Mexico will today be disowning him. like "nah, he was born and raised and lives in the USA, that fat American lump is not one of ours".