The **BOXING** thread (Vol 3)
Discussion
272BHP said:
As I suspected Joshua has revealed that he had 'health issues' before the first fight.
This makes a lot of sense as he was clearly not 100% - he won't reveal what the problem was though.
I don’t get the crack around the first fight This makes a lot of sense as he was clearly not 100% - he won't reveal what the problem was though.
He got whacked by a sucker punch plain and simple. Call it concussion or whatever but he did what fighters have done for ever, his legs went. He couldn’t control his body and never recovered.
Has no one ever been knocked out or concussed before? It can f
k you up for a day or so never mind a few rounds.dangerousB said:
Absolutely.
And that's taking nothing away from Joshua - that was an impeccable, disciplined performance. He's had to overcome significant psychological barriers and has obviously worked his butt off since his loss.
I just can't get my head around Ruiz though. He's done the total opposite. I get the fact that he suddenly landed in the limelight, got more money than he's ever seen in his life. Totally understand the temptations that would bring, but WTF was he doing in preparation for this?
He was a pretty dreadful physical specimen in the first fight, but he took it at short notice, so I could get that (to an extent), but to have SIX months prep and come in significantly WORSE shape is absolutely unfathomable to me.
He put on 6% of his bodyweight in 6 months whilst training for the biggest challenge of his professional career. A truly career defining moment. If he'd been successful, he would have had the world at his feet. If you can't do it for your own self respect, then at least do it for the fans that pay to watch or travel to watch you perform. You're (supposedly) a professional sportsman.
Totally bizarre.
Especially as he was compared to Buster Douglas. There was a lesson from history there and he didnt learn it.And that's taking nothing away from Joshua - that was an impeccable, disciplined performance. He's had to overcome significant psychological barriers and has obviously worked his butt off since his loss.
I just can't get my head around Ruiz though. He's done the total opposite. I get the fact that he suddenly landed in the limelight, got more money than he's ever seen in his life. Totally understand the temptations that would bring, but WTF was he doing in preparation for this?
He was a pretty dreadful physical specimen in the first fight, but he took it at short notice, so I could get that (to an extent), but to have SIX months prep and come in significantly WORSE shape is absolutely unfathomable to me.
He put on 6% of his bodyweight in 6 months whilst training for the biggest challenge of his professional career. A truly career defining moment. If he'd been successful, he would have had the world at his feet. If you can't do it for your own self respect, then at least do it for the fans that pay to watch or travel to watch you perform. You're (supposedly) a professional sportsman.
Totally bizarre.
Ruiz must be one hell of a naturally superb fit guy. To lug that weight around for twelve rounds with some one trying to knock your head off is amazing.
I think Ruiz knew he was going to lose so thought might as well enjoy myself to the max whilst I can.
You can make arguments either way for Joshua v Fury or Wilder but I worry for him if he fights Usyk, he has Ruiz hand speed and an athletes body combined with a good brain to match.
I think Ruiz knew he was going to lose so thought might as well enjoy myself to the max whilst I can.
You can make arguments either way for Joshua v Fury or Wilder but I worry for him if he fights Usyk, he has Ruiz hand speed and an athletes body combined with a good brain to match.
Gameface said:
272BHP said:
As I suspected Joshua has revealed that he had 'health issues' before the first fight.
This makes a lot of sense as he was clearly not 100% - he won't reveal what the problem was though.
This makes a lot of sense as he was clearly not 100% - he won't reveal what the problem was though.
Problem was he got smacked about and lost his belts.
Just making excuses.
Mojooo said:
I wondered if Ruiz went fat on purpose hoping that it would lead to more power/weight he could put on Joshua.
I doubt there is a lot more a fitter Ruiz could have done against Joshua's stay at length game plan.
that's right, AJ was at a canter and if needed could have done more. I doubt there is a lot more a fitter Ruiz could have done against Joshua's stay at length game plan.
It would have been a little more entertaining though
Morning all
Aj boxed superbly and as he said, boxing is about hitting and not getting hit and he did that pretty well, although he's still got that tendancy to ignore all advice and wasn't tying up Ruiz properly in the clinch and could have ended up in trouble a few times, hugely frustrating.
Nice to see him so mobile, on his toes, moving. You could tell he wanted to trade at times, but just so much riding on this fight he had to be cautious and for that, fair play.
Ruiz at 19 or 20 stone is Ruiz, I've got a mate his size who up until 2 years ago (at 37) could still cover a fair distance on a five a side pitch and be sprinting in the final moments....some people just have that natural engine and recovery, even when total heffers.
Wilder can be outboxed, dare I say Fury will be more confident in the re-match and take him apart.
AJ just doesn't seem to take a punch well and that will always make him vunerable....but he can box and he can bang, so a fight against Fury or Wilder would be very interesting.
Uysk will likely be next and that will be a case of AJ having to find some big shots as I can't see him outboxing him over 12.
Aj boxed superbly and as he said, boxing is about hitting and not getting hit and he did that pretty well, although he's still got that tendancy to ignore all advice and wasn't tying up Ruiz properly in the clinch and could have ended up in trouble a few times, hugely frustrating.
Nice to see him so mobile, on his toes, moving. You could tell he wanted to trade at times, but just so much riding on this fight he had to be cautious and for that, fair play.
Ruiz at 19 or 20 stone is Ruiz, I've got a mate his size who up until 2 years ago (at 37) could still cover a fair distance on a five a side pitch and be sprinting in the final moments....some people just have that natural engine and recovery, even when total heffers.
Wilder can be outboxed, dare I say Fury will be more confident in the re-match and take him apart.
AJ just doesn't seem to take a punch well and that will always make him vunerable....but he can box and he can bang, so a fight against Fury or Wilder would be very interesting.
Uysk will likely be next and that will be a case of AJ having to find some big shots as I can't see him outboxing him over 12.
ThisInJapanese said:
I can't see it happening.
I don't know what direction Joshua goes now, the top two are locked out until at least the summer of 2020 (should the Feb fight between Fury and Wilder happen)
Fury only has 3 fights left on his contract. Not sure from what he's been saying that he will want to do anymore after that.I don't know what direction Joshua goes now, the top two are locked out until at least the summer of 2020 (should the Feb fight between Fury and Wilder happen)
rich12 said:
ThisInJapanese said:
I can't see it happening.
I don't know what direction Joshua goes now, the top two are locked out until at least the summer of 2020 (should the Feb fight between Fury and Wilder happen)
Fury only has 3 fights left on his contract. Not sure from what he's been saying that he will want to do anymore after that.I don't know what direction Joshua goes now, the top two are locked out until at least the summer of 2020 (should the Feb fight between Fury and Wilder happen)
Bright Halo said:
You can make arguments either way for Joshua v Fury or Wilder but I worry for him if he fights Usyk, he has Ruiz hand speed and an athletes body combined with a good brain to match.
Usyk was getting getting tagged left right and centre by Chazz Witherspoon, who took the fight on a couple of day's notice and was incredibly out-of-shape. If Usyk gives the same opportunities to a serious contender they'll make short work of him. I think it'd be really dumb of Usyk to take a big fight before he's had a couple more tune ups. Even the proposed fight with Del-Boy seems really risky at this stage.Davos123 said:
Usyk was getting getting tagged left right and centre by Chazz Witherspoon, who took the fight on a couple of day's notice and was incredibly out-of-shape. If Usyk gives the same opportunities to a serious contender they'll make short work of him. I think it'd be really dumb of Usyk to take a big fight before he's had a couple more tune ups. Even the proposed fight with Del-Boy seems really risky at this stage.
I do wonder if it was the right move for Usyk to move up to heavyweight. As you say he was being tagged a lot by Chazz.He was impressive again Bellew at cruiserweight so maybe just needs a few more fights and time.
Taking a Joshua fight at this moment in time would be crazy IMO.
Yeah he'd be nuts to take on Joshua as his next fight, I admire the sheer brass of the man but it's dumb and AJ should definitely take it if it's on offer. Never a better time to get the W against him and it'll be a big one for his legacy.
Usyk Vs Chisora will tell us everything we need to know about him at HW, really looking forward to that if it happens.
Usyk Vs Chisora will tell us everything we need to know about him at HW, really looking forward to that if it happens.
Davos123 said:
Usyk was getting getting tagged left right and centre by Chazz Witherspoon, who took the fight on a couple of day's notice and was incredibly out-of-shape. If Usyk gives the same opportunities to a serious contender they'll make short work of him. I think it'd be really dumb of Usyk to take a big fight before he's had a couple more tune ups. Even the proposed fight with Del-Boy seems really risky at this stage.
How does going up a weight impact Usyk's ability to dodge getting hit? I would have thought a step up would mean that the fighters are slower? I get the argument about the power, but I don't understand the getting hit part. No saying you're wrong, just don't understand the dynamics of moving up and down weights and the impact that has on the fighter.
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