The **BOXING** thread (Vol 3)
Discussion
ThisInJapanese said:
How does going up a weight impact Usyk's ability to dodge getting hit? I would have thought a step up would mean that the fighters are slower?
I get the argument about the power, but I don't understand the getting hit part. No saying you're wrong, just don't understand the dynamics of moving up and down weights and the impact that has on the fighter.
I don't know that he's ever been fantastic at avoiding getting hit. It's more that now, it matters more because he can't just walk through the punches being thrown at him. Did you watch the Witherspoon fight? It was alarming how often he landed.I get the argument about the power, but I don't understand the getting hit part. No saying you're wrong, just don't understand the dynamics of moving up and down weights and the impact that has on the fighter.
tuscaneer said:
just catching up with the chris eubank/ matt korobov fight from over the weekend.... eubank lucked out big time with korobov pulling out in the second round with a shoulder injury because it looked like he was getting bamboozled by the tricky southpaw..
Yes, I watched that too. It was a strange fight to make for Eubank's US debut - Korobov doesn't have a big profile, they were fighting on an undercard and it would have been an easy fight for him to lose.I wonder if Korobov knew he had some injury issues going into the fight, maybe not with the shoulder specifically, and so this was Haymon helping him with a payday. I'm more than a little sceptical when Al Haymon matches fighters within his own stable - I get the sense that he (Haymon) likes to ensure he gets the outcome which is best for the PBC family.
FredClogs said:
All the top Russians and Eastern Europeans, even Lomo and Golovkin eat jabs to get into the mid and short range where they excel and then cleverly exit at angles.
That's not strictly true. GGG only relies on his chin because hes getting older and cant avoid/react to them. Mike Tyson (and others) did the same as they got older.
Davos123 said:
I don't know that he's ever been fantastic at avoiding getting hit. It's more that now, it matters more because he can't just walk through the punches being thrown at him. Did you watch the Witherspoon fight? It was alarming how often he landed.
No, not yet, I should look it up. I've only seen him fight once (vs Bellew) and he looked very good. Say what you like about Eddie Hearn, I think he comes across very in these chats: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0a6PXutJliY
BadBull said:
Gameface said:
272BHP said:
As I suspected Joshua has revealed that he had 'health issues' before the first fight.
This makes a lot of sense as he was clearly not 100% - he won't reveal what the problem was though.
This makes a lot of sense as he was clearly not 100% - he won't reveal what the problem was though.
Problem was he got smacked about and lost his belts.
Just making excuses.
Maybe it was a mental health issue.
Or does that only apply to fury.
Quite surprised at the negativity towards AJ.
just watched the fight.
What a great performance.
Hopefully he keeps concentrating on the sparring rather than the weights.
He hasn't had a long amateur or pro career.
Unlike wilder and fury, AJ is going to get better judging by that performance.
He should wait a couple of years before fighting wilder and furt, when he is closer to his peak.
It's not as if fury hasn't pissed time away.
philv said:
Except he didn't make excuses.
Maybe it was a mental health issue.
Or does that only apply to fury.
Quite surprised at the negativity towards AJ.
just watched the fight.
What a great performance.
Hopefully he keeps concentrating on the sparring rather than the weights.
He hasn't had a long amateur or pro career.
Unlike wilder and fury, AJ is going to get better judging by that performance.
He should wait a couple of years before fighting wilder and furt, when he is closer to his peak.
It's not as if fury hasn't pissed time away.
Might be worth you buying Tyson's book. You can believe what is written or not, but its a pretty decent/possible insight into what boxers go through.Maybe it was a mental health issue.
Or does that only apply to fury.
Quite surprised at the negativity towards AJ.
just watched the fight.
What a great performance.
Hopefully he keeps concentrating on the sparring rather than the weights.
He hasn't had a long amateur or pro career.
Unlike wilder and fury, AJ is going to get better judging by that performance.
He should wait a couple of years before fighting wilder and furt, when he is closer to his peak.
It's not as if fury hasn't pissed time away.
Taking fights at short notice, mental illness etc.
I was never a Fury fan, but over the last few years ive grown to the man.
AJ did what he had to do, he boxed clever, which personally I didn't think he had in him.
Fury for me is still too clever, mad as I say it, hes the best out there technically and boxing IQ. It is however nowhere near the levels of the 80's and 90's.
philv said:
BadBull said:
Gameface said:
272BHP said:
As I suspected Joshua has revealed that he had 'health issues' before the first fight.
This makes a lot of sense as he was clearly not 100% - he won't reveal what the problem was though.
This makes a lot of sense as he was clearly not 100% - he won't reveal what the problem was though.
Problem was he got smacked about and lost his belts.
Just making excuses.
Maybe it was a mental health issue.
Or does that only apply to fury.
Quite surprised at the negativity towards AJ.
just watched the fight.
What a great performance.
Hopefully he keeps concentrating on the sparring rather than the weights.
He hasn't had a long amateur or pro career.
Unlike wilder and fury, AJ is going to get better judging by that performance.
He should wait a couple of years before fighting wilder and furt, when he is closer to his peak.
It's not as if fury hasn't pissed time away.
AJ said he wouldn't make excuses about the loss, but that's exactly what he's done recently.
BadBull said:
philv said:
BadBull said:
Gameface said:
272BHP said:
As I suspected Joshua has revealed that he had 'health issues' before the first fight.
This makes a lot of sense as he was clearly not 100% - he won't reveal what the problem was though.
This makes a lot of sense as he was clearly not 100% - he won't reveal what the problem was though.
Problem was he got smacked about and lost his belts.
Just making excuses.
Maybe it was a mental health issue.
Or does that only apply to fury.
Quite surprised at the negativity towards AJ.
just watched the fight.
What a great performance.
Hopefully he keeps concentrating on the sparring rather than the weights.
He hasn't had a long amateur or pro career.
Unlike wilder and fury, AJ is going to get better judging by that performance.
He should wait a couple of years before fighting wilder and furt, when he is closer to his peak.
It's not as if fury hasn't pissed time away.
AJ said he wouldn't make excuses about the loss, but that's exactly what he's done recently.
Not even 24hours after the loss Ruiz is banging on about partying yada yada.
Amirhussain said:
Dillian Whyte has been reinstated as the WBC mandatory for Wilder, will face the winner of Fury v Wilder, which could happen in February...£1000 says nothing happens in February.
I thought Feb was all done and dusted and they just needed to arrange it all?I can't imagine wilder or fury not wanting to fight Whyte.
I haven’t read the last 170 pages...apologies if I’m repeating what others have said but FWIW...wilder or fury vs aj won’t happen in 2020 at least because wilder would be the favourite with that right hand and fury is technically too good. Ruiz won’t get a third because if he came in shape and had an ounce of tactics to cut the ring he may have beaten Joshua. The first fight wasn’t a fluke Joshua just wasn’t prepared and Ruiz won the second fight was the flip of that. Joshua is a a level below fury and wilder for now at least
philv said:
Except he didn't make excuses.
Maybe it was a mental health issue.
Or does that only apply to fury.
Quite surprised at the negativity towards AJ.
just watched the fight.
What a great performance.
Hopefully he keeps concentrating on the sparring rather than the weights.
He hasn't had a long amateur or pro career.
Unlike wilder and fury, AJ is going to get better judging by that performance.
He should wait a couple of years before fighting wilder and furt, when he is closer to his peak.
It's not as if fury hasn't pissed time away.
Unlike fury and Wilder AJ will get better, lol. He barely laid a glove on an immobile 20st opponent, after already having a blueprint. Maybe it was a mental health issue.
Or does that only apply to fury.
Quite surprised at the negativity towards AJ.
just watched the fight.
What a great performance.
Hopefully he keeps concentrating on the sparring rather than the weights.
He hasn't had a long amateur or pro career.
Unlike wilder and fury, AJ is going to get better judging by that performance.
He should wait a couple of years before fighting wilder and furt, when he is closer to his peak.
It's not as if fury hasn't pissed time away.
Show pony.
He’ll give up his belt rather than face Usyk. Then lose to either to Fury or Wilder
yonex said:
Unlike fury and Wilder AJ will get better, lol. He barely laid a glove on an immobile 20st opponent, after already having a blueprint.
Show pony.
He’ll give up his belt rather than face Usyk. Then lose to either to Fury or Wilder
You must have watches the wrong fight, he threw and landed way more punches than Ruiz did.Show pony.
He’ll give up his belt rather than face Usyk. Then lose to either to Fury or Wilder
Did you see Usyk vs Witherspoon? Usyk was getting hit left, right and centre by someone that makes Ruiz look like Mo Farah. Based on that performance AJ would have him knocked out within 4 or 5 rounds.
Olivera said:
You must have watches the wrong fight, he threw and landed way more punches than Ruiz did.
Did you see Usyk vs Witherspoon? Usyk was getting hit left, right and centre by someone that makes Ruiz look like Mo Farah. Based on that performance AJ would have him knocked out within 4 or 5 rounds.
He out jabbed a 20st a Mexican who he has a significant reach advantage, whilst standing what, 5 inches higher and 10 inch reach advantage...all the time attending the school of Vladimir? Did you see Usyk vs Witherspoon? Usyk was getting hit left, right and centre by someone that makes Ruiz look like Mo Farah. Based on that performance AJ would have him knocked out within 4 or 5 rounds.
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