The **BOXING** thread (Vol 3)
Discussion
tuscaneer said:
with usyk having seemingly learned that he doesn't need to bulk up any at heavyweight we should see a return to the man with the speed of a middleweight and the ring iq of the highest order..we've already seen him embarass the likes of joyce in the wsb.. the upcoming fight with the huge and durable chisora should tell us plenty how he will settle into the division...i see joshua relinquishing the wbo belt to concentrate on fury and usyk fighting someone like parker for the vacant belt (assuming parker beats the nobody he is lined up to fight in aukland imminently)... so we may see usyk fight the winner of the potential winner of joshua and fury.....but a more likely scenario is a second or even 3rd fight between those 2 once the ball has started rolling...which leaves usyk to get a few defences under his belt against the other contenders before fighting either of them until 2022 at the earliest...
it seems that wilder has mentally collapsed after the loss to fury so i think we are fairly safe in expecting fury and joshua to get it on next year unscathed.....as much as i respect pulev his time is past....he was at his peak 5 long years ago and the guy is 40 already.... i expect joshua to win that fight so with wilder seemingly standing down will we get the big one next march?...seems possible!!
Tusc, I agree with regards Usyk skill levels but I feel he can be lazy. He made much harder work of even Bellew than he had too, and he has looks worryingly easy to hit at times, displaying a confidence in his chin and an arrogance about his ability that may see him wanting against some of the bigger men. I can see a Holyfieldesque heavyweight career, brutal and exciting as he may have to put much more into fights to live with the bigger guys than they have to do to stay with him. He hits hard and accurate no doubt but his power doesn't seem to have travelled up the weight. I think he is a nightmare for AJ, who has looked susceptible to smaller, aggressive fighters, but think Fury would simply have the same too much he has for everyone else!! It will be hugely interesting for sure. If you had to come up with the ideal foil for Joyce single speed plodding pursuit it would be Usyk, styles making fights and all. Usyk beats a Joyce every day of the week and twice on a Sunday!it seems that wilder has mentally collapsed after the loss to fury so i think we are fairly safe in expecting fury and joshua to get it on next year unscathed.....as much as i respect pulev his time is past....he was at his peak 5 long years ago and the guy is 40 already.... i expect joshua to win that fight so with wilder seemingly standing down will we get the big one next march?...seems possible!!
Edited by tuscaneer on Tuesday 13th October 18:42
biggbn said:
Tusc, I agree with regards Usyk skill levels but I feel he can be lazy. He made much harder work of even Bellew than he had too, and he has looks worryingly easy to hit at times, displaying a confidence in his chin and an arrogance about his ability that may see him wanting against some of the bigger men. I can see a Holyfieldesque heavyweight career, brutal and exciting as he may have to put much more into fights to live with the bigger guys than they have to do to stay with him. He hits hard and accurate no doubt but his power doesn't seem to have travelled up the weight. I think he is a nightmare for AJ, who has looked susceptible to smaller, aggressive fighters, but think Fury would simply have the same too much he has for everyone else!! It will be hugely interesting for sure. If you had to come up with the ideal foil for Joyce single speed plodding pursuit it would be Usyk, styles making fights and all. Usyk beats a Joyce every day of the week and twice on a Sunday!
All true pal!!.... ive watched usyk closely since the amateurs and I do believe his seemingly easy to hit appearance happens in fights where he truly knows he's in control.... both him and lomachenko tend to start quite slowly and allow opponents to come on a bit..give them a bit of confidence which 9 times out of 10 results in gregarious sloppiness....when we were watching bellew seemingly do well early doors against usyk I wasn't buying it... it seemed to me he was allowing tony to work as he saw no threat....When I watched him dismantle artur beterbiev I saw a much more cautious fighter...... people might counter with "yeah, but mairis Briedis caught him frequently"... i would concur.... but thats because Briedis is so f
king good!!!... second only to usyk at cruiser that we have seen play out again recently against dorticos in the wbss final....I have a sneaky feeling that usyk might start in a similarly slow fashion against chisora... but the first time del boy clocks him hard i think youll see usyk put on his serious head and get down to business....
On his debut he had bulked uo too much i think which robbed him of his speed.. he won't do that again now the stakes are higher.... interesting to hear dave Allen talk about how he was only i.r.o 15 1/2 stone recently and was moving with a similar speed to guys like kell Brook!!!!!.... a cruiser with laser accurate shots moving like a welterweight..... a scary thought..... also interesting to note that allen felt usyk was holding back a lot and was toying with him...
I have read a lot of what wladimir has said about the hundreds of rounds he has sparred with usyk and he speaks very highly of his ability to keep people off balance.. and consequently unable to set to punch hard... a skill that will come in useful when he's in with the super heavies.... wlad always maintained usyks ring iq was right at the top of the tree of all the guys he's fought and sparred.... and that is a very long list!!!.....
The only thing I can see against usyk is the fact he has had a really long amateur career and isn't exactly a pup any more.... cant wait to find out how he translates up at heavyweight... i still think he surprises a lot of folk
tuscaneer said:
biggbn said:
Tusc, I agree with regards Usyk skill levels but I feel he can be lazy. He made much harder work of even Bellew than he had too, and he has looks worryingly easy to hit at times, displaying a confidence in his chin and an arrogance about his ability that may see him wanting against some of the bigger men. I can see a Holyfieldesque heavyweight career, brutal and exciting as he may have to put much more into fights to live with the bigger guys than they have to do to stay with him. He hits hard and accurate no doubt but his power doesn't seem to have travelled up the weight. I think he is a nightmare for AJ, who has looked susceptible to smaller, aggressive fighters, but think Fury would simply have the same too much he has for everyone else!! It will be hugely interesting for sure. If you had to come up with the ideal foil for Joyce single speed plodding pursuit it would be Usyk, styles making fights and all. Usyk beats a Joyce every day of the week and twice on a Sunday!
All true pal!!.... ive watched usyk closely since the amateurs and I do believe his seemingly easy to hit appearance happens in fights where he truly knows he's in control.... both him and lomachenko tend to start quite slowly and allow opponents to come on a bit..give them a bit of confidence which 9 times out of 10 results in gregarious sloppiness....when we were watching bellew seemingly do well early doors against usyk I wasn't buying it... it seemed to me he was allowing tony to work as he saw no threat....When I watched him dismantle artur beterbiev I saw a much more cautious fighter...... people might counter with "yeah, but mairis Briedis caught him frequently"... i would concur.... but thats because Briedis is so f
king good!!!... second only to usyk at cruiser that we have seen play out again recently against dorticos in the wbss final....I have a sneaky feeling that usyk might start in a similarly slow fashion against chisora... but the first time del boy clocks him hard i think youll see usyk put on his serious head and get down to business....
On his debut he had bulked uo too much i think which robbed him of his speed.. he won't do that again now the stakes are higher.... interesting to hear dave Allen talk about how he was only i.r.o 15 1/2 stone recently and was moving with a similar speed to guys like kell Brook!!!!!.... a cruiser with laser accurate shots moving like a welterweight..... a scary thought..... also interesting to note that allen felt usyk was holding back a lot and was toying with him...
I have read a lot of what wladimir has said about the hundreds of rounds he has sparred with usyk and he speaks very highly of his ability to keep people off balance.. and consequently unable to set to punch hard... a skill that will come in useful when he's in with the super heavies.... wlad always maintained usyks ring iq was right at the top of the tree of all the guys he's fought and sparred.... and that is a very long list!!!.....
The only thing I can see against usyk is the fact he has had a really long amateur career and isn't exactly a pup any more.... cant wait to find out how he translates up at heavyweight... i still think he surprises a lot of folk
I think we should all hope for Usyk to do well. He is a credit to the sport inside and outside of the ring. One punch misfortunes aside I don't see AJ having the speed or brain to deal with him. He'll dismantle or outwit everyone else with the exception of Fury which is the fight I want to see more than any other in the hw division. I still don't think Usyk is that well known outside of hardcore fans and I'd encourage anyone to have a look at him. He is a class operator.
Taylor James said:
I think we should all hope for Usyk to do well. He is a credit to the sport inside and outside of the ring. One punch misfortunes aside I don't see AJ having the speed or brain to deal with him. He'll dismantle or outwit everyone else with the exception of Fury which is the fight I want to see more than any other in the hw division. I still don't think Usyk is that well known outside of hardcore fans and I'd encourage anyone to have a look at him. He is a class operator.
I agree, he gives AJ fits unless AJ receives referees assistance as he did against Parker and is allowed to grab on Wlad style anytime a fight threatens to break out, which to be fair, is all in the game, a win being a win and all that.biggbn said:
Taylor James said:
I think we should all hope for Usyk to do well. He is a credit to the sport inside and outside of the ring. One punch misfortunes aside I don't see AJ having the speed or brain to deal with him. He'll dismantle or outwit everyone else with the exception of Fury which is the fight I want to see more than any other in the hw division. I still don't think Usyk is that well known outside of hardcore fans and I'd encourage anyone to have a look at him. He is a class operator.
I agree, he gives AJ fits unless AJ receives referees assistance as he did against Parker and is allowed to grab on Wlad style anytime a fight threatens to break out, which to be fair, is all in the game, a win being a win and all that.Anyone following the court battle between Frampton and McGuigan? It’s a great insight to the business side of the sport. It sounds like a pretty shoddy game, at least in this case. It’s amazing that some fighters actually manage to become multi millionaires.
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biggbn said:
tuscaneer said:
biggbn said:
Tusc, I agree with regards Usyk skill levels but I feel he can be lazy. He made much harder work of even Bellew than he had too, and he has looks worryingly easy to hit at times, displaying a confidence in his chin and an arrogance about his ability that may see him wanting against some of the bigger men. I can see a Holyfieldesque heavyweight career, brutal and exciting as he may have to put much more into fights to live with the bigger guys than they have to do to stay with him. He hits hard and accurate no doubt but his power doesn't seem to have travelled up the weight. I think he is a nightmare for AJ, who has looked susceptible to smaller, aggressive fighters, but think Fury would simply have the same too much he has for everyone else!! It will be hugely interesting for sure. If you had to come up with the ideal foil for Joyce single speed plodding pursuit it would be Usyk, styles making fights and all. Usyk beats a Joyce every day of the week and twice on a Sunday!
All true pal!!.... ive watched usyk closely since the amateurs and I do believe his seemingly easy to hit appearance happens in fights where he truly knows he's in control.... both him and lomachenko tend to start quite slowly and allow opponents to come on a bit..give them a bit of confidence which 9 times out of 10 results in gregarious sloppiness....when we were watching bellew seemingly do well early doors against usyk I wasn't buying it... it seemed to me he was allowing tony to work as he saw no threat....When I watched him dismantle artur beterbiev I saw a much more cautious fighter...... people might counter with "yeah, but mairis Briedis caught him frequently"... i would concur.... but thats because Briedis is so f
king good!!!... second only to usyk at cruiser that we have seen play out again recently against dorticos in the wbss final....I have a sneaky feeling that usyk might start in a similarly slow fashion against chisora... but the first time del boy clocks him hard i think youll see usyk put on his serious head and get down to business....
On his debut he had bulked uo too much i think which robbed him of his speed.. he won't do that again now the stakes are higher.... interesting to hear dave Allen talk about how he was only i.r.o 15 1/2 stone recently and was moving with a similar speed to guys like kell Brook!!!!!.... a cruiser with laser accurate shots moving like a welterweight..... a scary thought..... also interesting to note that allen felt usyk was holding back a lot and was toying with him...
I have read a lot of what wladimir has said about the hundreds of rounds he has sparred with usyk and he speaks very highly of his ability to keep people off balance.. and consequently unable to set to punch hard... a skill that will come in useful when he's in with the super heavies.... wlad always maintained usyks ring iq was right at the top of the tree of all the guys he's fought and sparred.... and that is a very long list!!!.....
The only thing I can see against usyk is the fact he has had a really long amateur career and isn't exactly a pup any more.... cant wait to find out how he translates up at heavyweight... i still think he surprises a lot of folk
ThePackMan said:
I’m a big fan of Usyk, but you can’t write off Chisora. True he’s always fallen short whenever he’s faced anyone top level, but I think Derek has got a lot better with age. I hear that he’s been doing a lot of MMA training for this fight, which will be interesting to see if that’s noticeable in the ring, or it’s business as usual hunt him down and unload. Which you’d have to agree has been pretty effective for the last 5-6 fights.
Shoud have done Ballet instead of MMA...hyphen said:
ThePackMan said:
I’m a big fan of Usyk, but you can’t write off Chisora. True he’s always fallen short whenever he’s faced anyone top level, but I think Derek has got a lot better with age. I hear that he’s been doing a lot of MMA training for this fight, which will be interesting to see if that’s noticeable in the ring, or it’s business as usual hunt him down and unload. Which you’d have to agree has been pretty effective for the last 5-6 fights.
Shoud have done Ballet instead of MMA...I don't post in this thread often, but check and read it everyday as it is my most favourite thread on PH.
The knowledge and discussion shared between the regulars has provided me with deeper insights about boxing so thank you for that. It was amazing to hear the story from one of the posters at the Benn vs. Mcllelan fight a few pages back. I watched it live on TV as a 12 year old and it was great to get an insight on what the atmosphere was like - that information is gold.
I want to find out how people will watch the Loma vs Lopez fight on Saturday? This webstreaming service is charging £9.99, and I wonder if that is the only option we have to watch the fight without resorting to dodgy, unreliable streams?
https://www.fite.tv/watch/top-rank-lomachenko-vs-l...
The knowledge and discussion shared between the regulars has provided me with deeper insights about boxing so thank you for that. It was amazing to hear the story from one of the posters at the Benn vs. Mcllelan fight a few pages back. I watched it live on TV as a 12 year old and it was great to get an insight on what the atmosphere was like - that information is gold.
I want to find out how people will watch the Loma vs Lopez fight on Saturday? This webstreaming service is charging £9.99, and I wonder if that is the only option we have to watch the fight without resorting to dodgy, unreliable streams?
https://www.fite.tv/watch/top-rank-lomachenko-vs-l...
Taylor James said:
£9.99 is pretty damn good value.
I agree. Most other PPV events start at around £20, so to get a fight of this calibre so cheap is a win for boxing fans.I will likely go ahead and buy this stream and then look forward to the early start on Sunday morning!
PS: It's going to be a close fight, but I think Loma wins.
Could this be a long night for Lopez? Like many punchers, his exuberance in throwing big shots can make him throw wide shots, at times almost imperceptibly, but wide nonetheless and leave his feet planted for a similarly fleeting moment. These traits do not matter so much against mere mortals, but could be mana from heaven for Loma who operates on a separate plane within his own matrix. I genuinely wonder if we could see a fight as one sided as Mayweather v Canello?
biggbn said:
Could this be a long night for Lopez? Like many punchers, his exuberance in throwing big shots can make him throw wide shots, at times almost imperceptibly, but wide nonetheless and leave his feet planted for a similarly fleeting moment. These traits do not matter so much against mere mortals, but could be mana from heaven for Loma who operates on a separate plane within his own matrix. I genuinely wonder if we could see a fight as one sided as Mayweather v Canello?
Absolutely. Expect points win for Loma.Lopez can come again, and Loma will move onto a big PPV.
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