The **BOXING** thread (Vol 3)
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“In round seven I’m getting myself back together and all of a sudden the towel is thrown in. What’s the odds of that?
“I’m gathering myself. My momentum is coming. While I’m looking into his eyes, he’s looking tired, he’s looking fatigued.
“When the referee stopped it, that motherf***er was the most happiest motherf***er on Earth.”
Honestly I’ve never read so much bulls
t in my life 
it’s so tragic that it’s actually quite hilarious 
https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/782400/deontay-...
“I’m gathering myself. My momentum is coming. While I’m looking into his eyes, he’s looking tired, he’s looking fatigued.
“When the referee stopped it, that motherf***er was the most happiest motherf***er on Earth.”
Honestly I’ve never read so much bulls
t in my life it’s so tragic that it’s actually quite hilarious https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/782400/deontay-...
tuscaneer said:
Saweep said:
I'm no Joshua fan; I think he's seriously over-rated and robotic, lacking head movement and footwork of a true great.
However, I can't seem him doing anything other than dispatching Usyk with relative ease. He's just too big and much younger and better conditioned than old Del. Usyk didn't really hurt Del at all and that has to be a worry going forward for him.
Usyk is the hipster's heavyweight imho. I saw little last night that had me sitting up in my seat.
I reckon he will bounce around in the second tier and maybe pick up the odd belt in a few years time.
Wilder would KO him I reckon too. Another too big, too fast heavy with too much power.
reports at the time a few years back (reports from david williams who was wlad's camp manager) were less than flattering about how wilder coped sparring a novice pro cruiserweight called usyk....stood him on his head by all accounts..However, I can't seem him doing anything other than dispatching Usyk with relative ease. He's just too big and much younger and better conditioned than old Del. Usyk didn't really hurt Del at all and that has to be a worry going forward for him.
Usyk is the hipster's heavyweight imho. I saw little last night that had me sitting up in my seat.
I reckon he will bounce around in the second tier and maybe pick up the odd belt in a few years time.
Wilder would KO him I reckon too. Another too big, too fast heavy with too much power.
I’m pretty sure Wlad gave him nightmares on sparring too.
And this is the guy that thinks he’d have beaten Mike Tyson
Tyson would have savaged him beyond belief. Amirhussain said:
I remember an old video of Haye and Wilder sparring and watching that video probably gives you an idea of how the sparring session with Usyk went.
I’m pretty sure Wlad gave him nightmares on sparring too.
And this is the guy that thinks he’d have beaten Mike Tyson Tyson would have savaged him beyond belief.
in his defence... according to dave williams... after getting sparked out 3 times by wlad he carried on... the embarrassing bit is that he was deemed not enough of a test to carry on the full camp and was sent home after they baked him a birthday cake.I’m pretty sure Wlad gave him nightmares on sparring too.
And this is the guy that thinks he’d have beaten Mike Tyson
Tyson would have savaged him beyond belief. vetrof said:
Quite enjoyed this American fan's half hour demolition of Wilder and his fans following Wilder's comments this weekend.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUXvuQe3-lo
Enjoyable but jesus he took 40 minutes to say what could have been said in 6.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUXvuQe3-lo
EddieSteadyGo said:
Olivera said:
Usyk's power doesn't look exceptional, but I do think he has the potential to try and outpoint AJ and Fury in a similar manner.
Usyk doesn't have great support. I suspect tonight's PPV numbers as an example will be poor. So the money behind Usky will be relatively low. AJ on the other hand, and indeed Fury, makes a lot of people a lot of money. So the harsh reality is Usyk won't beat them on points. Neither will he knock them out. Also think people saying no way he beats AJ are being far too harsh. I don't know what the result would be but I want to see it. Usyk had fought once in like 22 months or something going into Saturday, if he stays healthy and active he's going to get a lot better at Heavyweight.
People talk about him not being able to take hits from the big guys, but he shrugged off Chisora's power and he's a big-hitter. He also went 12 rounds with Gassiev at Cruiser, who definitely hits harder than most heavyweights and didn't look unnatural at 230lbs on his HW debut at the weekend. Not only was he not hurt by him, but he put on an absolute masterclass. Will he be able to do the same against someone with a bigger reach and frame? I don't know but I cannot wait to find out.
Pugaris said:
Definitely agree with this but also think we're going to see Usyk's image being really pushed now. He's a fantastic character and he'll endear himself to fans quickly. It looks like the Yanks have lost Wilder now, can't see him coming back in a serious way and he's not good enough anyway so I think Usyk will be pushed hard State-side next year, where he could win a lot of fans.
Also think people saying no way he beats AJ are being far too harsh. I don't know what the result would be but I want to see it. Usyk had fought once in like 22 months or something going into Saturday, if he stays healthy and active he's going to get a lot better at Heavyweight.
People talk about him not being able to take hits from the big guys, but he shrugged off Chisora's power and he's a big-hitter. He also went 12 rounds with Gassiev at Cruiser, who definitely hits harder than most heavyweights and didn't look unnatural at 230lbs on his HW debut at the weekend. Not only was he not hurt by him, but he put on an absolute masterclass. Will he be able to do the same against someone with a bigger reach and frame? I don't know but I cannot wait to find out.
Aj made for Usyk, although as I have posted several times, I do feel he was slightly exposed at weekend. I would not be surprised to see AJ stopped after the eighth against Usyk after being pot shotted constantly. AJ too big a target and not fast enough on his feet or between his ears for Usyk. I rate AJ but styles make fights. Also think people saying no way he beats AJ are being far too harsh. I don't know what the result would be but I want to see it. Usyk had fought once in like 22 months or something going into Saturday, if he stays healthy and active he's going to get a lot better at Heavyweight.
People talk about him not being able to take hits from the big guys, but he shrugged off Chisora's power and he's a big-hitter. He also went 12 rounds with Gassiev at Cruiser, who definitely hits harder than most heavyweights and didn't look unnatural at 230lbs on his HW debut at the weekend. Not only was he not hurt by him, but he put on an absolute masterclass. Will he be able to do the same against someone with a bigger reach and frame? I don't know but I cannot wait to find out.
biggbn said:
Bright Halo said:
Unfortunately I do not think the Fury camp will take the Dillian White offer.
Too risky. As although I think Fury would win comfortably, Dillian would throw the kitchen sink at him and could cause an upset.
Couldn't hit him in the ass with a handful of sand...Too risky. As although I think Fury would win comfortably, Dillian would throw the kitchen sink at him and could cause an upset.
The ongoing court proceedings between Carl Frampton and the McGuigans still providing a fascinating insight into the dodgy world of boxing promotion.
https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ire...
https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ire...
All this talk of Usyk being able to beat AJ 
Actually, he does have a slim chance with the right tactics, but it'll be a case of him having a good day and AJ having a bad day. Same thing with Fury, to be honest.
Am I the only person that thinks the whole Fury Wilder glove scandal has some substance to it? I've never seen a glove move like that and in some pictures, you can see the knuckles protrude.
Actually, he does have a slim chance with the right tactics, but it'll be a case of him having a good day and AJ having a bad day. Same thing with Fury, to be honest.
Am I the only person that thinks the whole Fury Wilder glove scandal has some substance to it? I've never seen a glove move like that and in some pictures, you can see the knuckles protrude.
Sensei Rob said:
Am I the only person that thinks the whole Fury Wilder glove scandal has some substance to it? I've never seen a glove move like that and in some pictures, you can see the knuckles protrude.
There are two parts of the glove saga i) did he load his gloves ii) did he move his fist in the glove to a different part of the glove.Wilder's team had the opportunity to inspect his gloves and to watch when his hands were wrapped. So if something extra were added (and I don't think it was) they had the opportunity to spot it.
In terms of moving the position of his fists, most of those still shots were from the first fight, rather than the second. And he wants to throw a shot with a floppy wrist, as a shot to distract Wilder, he can do that, but he risks breaking his wrist.
Personally, the simple explanation is the right one i.e. Fury was just being more aggressive, putting more weight onto his shots which resulted in the KO.
Most people (the public) dont realise that fight gloves are totally different to sparring gloves. They don't realise how floppy they are and how tight they are. There is no way you can move your wrist down inside them even if they weren't tied up
The best way to hurt someone with a fight glove is to punch them with it.
The best way to hurt someone with a fight glove is to punch them with it.
EddieSteadyGo said:
There are two parts of the glove saga i) did he load his gloves ii) did he move his fist in the glove to a different part of the glove.
Wilder's team had the opportunity to inspect his gloves and to watch when his hands were wrapped. So if something extra were added (and I don't think it was) they had the opportunity to spot it.
In terms of moving the position of his fists, most of those still shots were from the first fight, rather than the second. And he wants to throw a shot with a floppy wrist, as a shot to distract Wilder, he can do that, but he risks breaking his wrist.
Personally, the simple explanation is the right one i.e. Fury was just being more aggressive, putting more weight onto his shots which resulted in the KO.
Wilder's team inspected the glove, for sure, however, would it be totally impossible for the glove to be tampered with between the time it was inspected and the fight?Wilder's team had the opportunity to inspect his gloves and to watch when his hands were wrapped. So if something extra were added (and I don't think it was) they had the opportunity to spot it.
In terms of moving the position of his fists, most of those still shots were from the first fight, rather than the second. And he wants to throw a shot with a floppy wrist, as a shot to distract Wilder, he can do that, but he risks breaking his wrist.
Personally, the simple explanation is the right one i.e. Fury was just being more aggressive, putting more weight onto his shots which resulted in the KO.
We all know Margarito was busted, but how many fights was he loading his gloves in? Who knows?
The next thing is whether it gave Fury a competitive advantage to have the fist half way in the glove. Would the fist in that position have less padding?
Wilder is claiming shenanigans over both fights, hence showing evidence from both fights.
This isn't the first time Fury has had controversy surrounding gloves. In October 2019, his sparring partner made a video claiming that he redistributed padding in his gloves.
It all then leads to the plausibility of such a thing happening. Is it physically possible and if so would Tyson Fury be the type of person to do such a thing?
It looks fishy enough for there to be an investigation. Surely, those gloves exist somewhere?
Sensei Rob said:
All this talk of Usyk being able to beat AJ
Actually, he does have a slim chance with the right tactics, but it'll be a case of him having a good day and AJ having a bad day. Same thing with Fury, to be honest.
Am I the only person that thinks the whole Fury Wilder glove scandal has some substance to it? I've never seen a glove move like that and in some pictures, you can see the knuckles protrude.
AJ has been known to have bad days like when he got battered by a fat mexican with tiny arms. Fury on the other hand is and always will be unbeaten.Actually, he does have a slim chance with the right tactics, but it'll be a case of him having a good day and AJ having a bad day. Same thing with Fury, to be honest.
Am I the only person that thinks the whole Fury Wilder glove scandal has some substance to it? I've never seen a glove move like that and in some pictures, you can see the knuckles protrude.
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