The **BOXING** thread (Vol 3)

The **BOXING** thread (Vol 3)

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Daniel1

2,931 posts

199 months

Saturday 7th November 2020
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Sensei Rob said:
EddieSteadyGo said:
There are two parts of the glove saga i) did he load his gloves ii) did he move his fist in the glove to a different part of the glove.

Wilder's team had the opportunity to inspect his gloves and to watch when his hands were wrapped. So if something extra were added (and I don't think it was) they had the opportunity to spot it.

In terms of moving the position of his fists, most of those still shots were from the first fight, rather than the second. And he wants to throw a shot with a floppy wrist, as a shot to distract Wilder, he can do that, but he risks breaking his wrist.

Personally, the simple explanation is the right one i.e. Fury was just being more aggressive, putting more weight onto his shots which resulted in the KO.
Wilder's team inspected the glove, for sure, however, would it be totally impossible for the glove to be tampered with between the time it was inspected and the fight?

We all know Margarito was busted, but how many fights was he loading his gloves in? Who knows?

The next thing is whether it gave Fury a competitive advantage to have the fist half way in the glove. Would the fist in that position have less padding?

Wilder is claiming shenanigans over both fights, hence showing evidence from both fights.

This isn't the first time Fury has had controversy surrounding gloves. In October 2019, his sparring partner made a video claiming that he redistributed padding in his gloves.

It all then leads to the plausibility of such a thing happening. Is it physically possible and if so would Tyson Fury be the type of person to do such a thing?

It looks fishy enough for there to be an investigation. Surely, those gloves exist somewhere?
No. Margarito was busted for layering his gloves with plaster that would harden with the sweat. Like the Ali glove situation, as a result tighter regulations were put in place. You have a member of the commission plus a member of the opponents team observing the wraps. The wraps are then signed. When the gloves are put they are inspected and signed. Finally the referee inspects the gloves at the start of the fight. Again, gloves are so tight you can't even take them off yourself let alone wriggle your wrists down them. Most people can do with their 16oz worn velcro gloves, but not with new 10oz fight gloves.

His sparring partners claims had no official investigation as far as I can recall. It was likely made by someone just hoping to get their name on the radar. Lastly, again iirc, the gloves were everlast powerlock. These gloves wear out incredibly quickly (they are lovely and soft to begin with) and it is not beyond reason to have worn them out. They're so soft people advise you not use them on the bag because you wear them out to quickly

Finally, the easiest way to hurt someone with a fight glove is to punch them with it. They are either rock hard (rival hdef) or so soft your knuckles easily protude though the foam (reyes, everlast mx). You also wouldn't be able to make a solid fist.

Sensei Rob

312 posts

80 months

Saturday 7th November 2020
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Daniel1 said:
Again, gloves are so tight you can't even take them off yourself let alone wriggle your wrists down them. Most people can do with their 16oz worn velcro gloves, but not with new 10oz fight gloves.
How do you explain the video of the floppy glove?

fridaypassion

8,586 posts

229 months

Saturday 7th November 2020
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Merc 450 said:
AJ has been known to have bad days like when he got battered by a fat mexican with tiny arms. Fury on the other hand is and always will be unbeaten.
Apart from that time he got beaten of course wink

Daniel1

2,931 posts

199 months

Saturday 7th November 2020
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Sensei Rob said:
How do you explain the video of the floppy glove?
I will admit is it suspect.

hyphen

26,262 posts

91 months

Saturday 7th November 2020
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Sensei Rob said:
How do you explain the video of the floppy glove?
Stuffed with the testicles of a Wild Boar.

NuckyThompson

1,587 posts

169 months

Saturday 7th November 2020
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rather than get into to much debate in regards to the gloves here,

just watch the Video J-C posted on the boxrec forum. Consistently shows Fury's hands are in the glove and him making a fist throughout the fight and hitting with the knuckle.

https://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=2...

Merc 450

971 posts

100 months

Sunday 8th November 2020
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fridaypassion said:
Merc 450 said:
AJ has been known to have bad days like when he got battered by a fat mexican with tiny arms. Fury on the other hand is and always will be unbeaten.
Apart from that time he got beaten of course wink
Fury is unbeaten

fridaypassion

8,586 posts

229 months

Sunday 8th November 2020
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Merc 450 said:
Fury is unbeaten
If you think that you need to brush up on your boxing knowledge wink

Gadgetmac

14,984 posts

109 months

Sunday 8th November 2020
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fridaypassion said:
Merc 450 said:
Fury is unbeaten
If you think that you need to brush up on your boxing knowledge wink
He's unbeaten in the professional ranks.

He lost 4 as an amateur I believe.

fridaypassion

8,586 posts

229 months

Sunday 8th November 2020
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OK anyone want to tell these guys which match to study?

biggbn

23,481 posts

221 months

Sunday 8th November 2020
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fridaypassion said:
OK anyone want to tell these guys which match to study?
His record says unbeaten, so unbeaten he is. Got a gift against Big John McDermott, but show me a boxer without a dodgy decision on his record?

fridaypassion

8,586 posts

229 months

Sunday 8th November 2020
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biggbn said:
His record says unbeaten, so unbeaten he is. Got a gift against Big John McDermott, but show me a boxer without a dodgy decision on his record?
That's the one. His one defeat.

Gadgetmac

14,984 posts

109 months

Sunday 8th November 2020
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fridaypassion said:
biggbn said:
His record says unbeaten, so unbeaten he is. Got a gift against Big John McDermott, but show me a boxer without a dodgy decision on his record?
That's the one. His one defeat.
Rather strangely his official record begs to differ.

hyphen

26,262 posts

91 months

Tuesday 10th November 2020
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Simon Jordan tells Chisora he isn't world level, and evertime he has stepped up, he lost.

https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/784725/derek-ch...

Sensei Rob

312 posts

80 months

Tuesday 10th November 2020
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hyphen said:
Simon Jordan tells Chisora he isn't world level, and evertime he has stepped up, he lost.

https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/784725/derek-ch...
Wow, what an idiot that Simon Jordan is, eh?

Plenty of fighters became World champions after losing at World level a bunch of times. Plenty of fighters make a good living without ever being World champions.

People watch Chisora because he's entertaining and can knock a fool out.

andburg

7,296 posts

170 months

Tuesday 10th November 2020
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losing world title fights does not mean you're not a world level fighter, nor does winning them mean you are.

Saying Chisora is no longer a viable title challenger at world level does not mean he's unable to compete at the highest level or has never been there. Very few fighters make enough money to stop when their career peak so they fight on the downward slope, picking up more losses and getting further from proper contention. Without these fighters, who do the young guys fight? do they continue to blow away journeymen and protect their record until a shot comes along? In order to get those chances you have to be good enough.

He may not be an all time great or an elite level fighter, but he is world class and if the cards had fallen better for him he would have won a world title.

Valuev won the WBA title twice, the right opportunities came his way but Chisora could have beaten him.......


Amirhussain

11,489 posts

164 months

Tuesday 10th November 2020
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andburg said:
losing world title fights does not mean you're not a world level fighter, nor does winning them mean you are.

Saying Chisora is no longer a viable title challenger at world level does not mean he's unable to compete at the highest level or has never been there. Very few fighters make enough money to stop when their career peak so they fight on the downward slope, picking up more losses and getting further from proper contention. Without these fighters, who do the young guys fight? do they continue to blow away journeymen and protect their record until a shot comes along? In order to get those chances you have to be good enough.

He may not be an all time great or an elite level fighter, but he is world class and if the cards had fallen better for him he would have won a world title.

Valuev won the WBA title twice, the right opportunities came his way but Chisora could have beaten him.......
Well said. Without the journeymen/gatekeepers boxing would be nothing. They’re easily berated but they do deserve a lot of respect too and good boxers such as Chisora who may not be elite level but provide excellent experience to many boxers who are at the start of their careers and many who go onto become world champs.

Definitely agree that winning a world champion doesn’t mean you’re world class fighter. ‘Prince’ Charles Martin anyone?

Amirhussain

11,489 posts

164 months

Tuesday 10th November 2020
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Anyone watching Boxxer fight night live on ITV4? One night boxing tournament.

Baron Greenback

7,001 posts

151 months

Tuesday 10th November 2020
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Was good to see boxing in TV again. Shame I didn't know any of them so couldn't get into any of the matches. I that last guy has some good power behind his punches.

fridaypassion

8,586 posts

229 months

Tuesday 10th November 2020
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Chisora is starting the end of his career now. At his level its all about Joyce/Dubois etc the changing of the guard.

He's got some entertaining scraps left in him but if he's fighting top class fighters it will be in their ascension not for titles. I think Whyte is possibly about to be on that path too.
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