The **BOXING** thread (Vol 3)
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Sensei Rob said:
EddieSteadyGo said:
There are two parts of the glove saga i) did he load his gloves ii) did he move his fist in the glove to a different part of the glove.
Wilder's team had the opportunity to inspect his gloves and to watch when his hands were wrapped. So if something extra were added (and I don't think it was) they had the opportunity to spot it.
In terms of moving the position of his fists, most of those still shots were from the first fight, rather than the second. And he wants to throw a shot with a floppy wrist, as a shot to distract Wilder, he can do that, but he risks breaking his wrist.
Personally, the simple explanation is the right one i.e. Fury was just being more aggressive, putting more weight onto his shots which resulted in the KO.
Wilder's team inspected the glove, for sure, however, would it be totally impossible for the glove to be tampered with between the time it was inspected and the fight?Wilder's team had the opportunity to inspect his gloves and to watch when his hands were wrapped. So if something extra were added (and I don't think it was) they had the opportunity to spot it.
In terms of moving the position of his fists, most of those still shots were from the first fight, rather than the second. And he wants to throw a shot with a floppy wrist, as a shot to distract Wilder, he can do that, but he risks breaking his wrist.
Personally, the simple explanation is the right one i.e. Fury was just being more aggressive, putting more weight onto his shots which resulted in the KO.
We all know Margarito was busted, but how many fights was he loading his gloves in? Who knows?
The next thing is whether it gave Fury a competitive advantage to have the fist half way in the glove. Would the fist in that position have less padding?
Wilder is claiming shenanigans over both fights, hence showing evidence from both fights.
This isn't the first time Fury has had controversy surrounding gloves. In October 2019, his sparring partner made a video claiming that he redistributed padding in his gloves.
It all then leads to the plausibility of such a thing happening. Is it physically possible and if so would Tyson Fury be the type of person to do such a thing?
It looks fishy enough for there to be an investigation. Surely, those gloves exist somewhere?
His sparring partners claims had no official investigation as far as I can recall. It was likely made by someone just hoping to get their name on the radar. Lastly, again iirc, the gloves were everlast powerlock. These gloves wear out incredibly quickly (they are lovely and soft to begin with) and it is not beyond reason to have worn them out. They're so soft people advise you not use them on the bag because you wear them out to quickly
Finally, the easiest way to hurt someone with a fight glove is to punch them with it. They are either rock hard (rival hdef) or so soft your knuckles easily protude though the foam (reyes, everlast mx). You also wouldn't be able to make a solid fist.
rather than get into to much debate in regards to the gloves here,
just watch the Video J-C posted on the boxrec forum. Consistently shows Fury's hands are in the glove and him making a fist throughout the fight and hitting with the knuckle.
https://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=2...
just watch the Video J-C posted on the boxrec forum. Consistently shows Fury's hands are in the glove and him making a fist throughout the fight and hitting with the knuckle.
https://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=2...
Simon Jordan tells Chisora he isn't world level, and evertime he has stepped up, he lost.
https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/784725/derek-ch...
https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/784725/derek-ch...
hyphen said:
Simon Jordan tells Chisora he isn't world level, and evertime he has stepped up, he lost.
https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/784725/derek-ch...
Wow, what an idiot that Simon Jordan is, eh?https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/784725/derek-ch...
Plenty of fighters became World champions after losing at World level a bunch of times. Plenty of fighters make a good living without ever being World champions.
People watch Chisora because he's entertaining and can knock a fool out.
losing world title fights does not mean you're not a world level fighter, nor does winning them mean you are.
Saying Chisora is no longer a viable title challenger at world level does not mean he's unable to compete at the highest level or has never been there. Very few fighters make enough money to stop when their career peak so they fight on the downward slope, picking up more losses and getting further from proper contention. Without these fighters, who do the young guys fight? do they continue to blow away journeymen and protect their record until a shot comes along? In order to get those chances you have to be good enough.
He may not be an all time great or an elite level fighter, but he is world class and if the cards had fallen better for him he would have won a world title.
Valuev won the WBA title twice, the right opportunities came his way but Chisora could have beaten him.......
Saying Chisora is no longer a viable title challenger at world level does not mean he's unable to compete at the highest level or has never been there. Very few fighters make enough money to stop when their career peak so they fight on the downward slope, picking up more losses and getting further from proper contention. Without these fighters, who do the young guys fight? do they continue to blow away journeymen and protect their record until a shot comes along? In order to get those chances you have to be good enough.
He may not be an all time great or an elite level fighter, but he is world class and if the cards had fallen better for him he would have won a world title.
Valuev won the WBA title twice, the right opportunities came his way but Chisora could have beaten him.......
andburg said:
losing world title fights does not mean you're not a world level fighter, nor does winning them mean you are.
Saying Chisora is no longer a viable title challenger at world level does not mean he's unable to compete at the highest level or has never been there. Very few fighters make enough money to stop when their career peak so they fight on the downward slope, picking up more losses and getting further from proper contention. Without these fighters, who do the young guys fight? do they continue to blow away journeymen and protect their record until a shot comes along? In order to get those chances you have to be good enough.
He may not be an all time great or an elite level fighter, but he is world class and if the cards had fallen better for him he would have won a world title.
Valuev won the WBA title twice, the right opportunities came his way but Chisora could have beaten him.......
Well said. Without the journeymen/gatekeepers boxing would be nothing. They’re easily berated but they do deserve a lot of respect too and good boxers such as Chisora who may not be elite level but provide excellent experience to many boxers who are at the start of their careers and many who go onto become world champs. Saying Chisora is no longer a viable title challenger at world level does not mean he's unable to compete at the highest level or has never been there. Very few fighters make enough money to stop when their career peak so they fight on the downward slope, picking up more losses and getting further from proper contention. Without these fighters, who do the young guys fight? do they continue to blow away journeymen and protect their record until a shot comes along? In order to get those chances you have to be good enough.
He may not be an all time great or an elite level fighter, but he is world class and if the cards had fallen better for him he would have won a world title.
Valuev won the WBA title twice, the right opportunities came his way but Chisora could have beaten him.......
Definitely agree that winning a world champion doesn’t mean you’re world class fighter. ‘Prince’ Charles Martin anyone?
Chisora is starting the end of his career now. At his level its all about Joyce/Dubois etc the changing of the guard.
He's got some entertaining scraps left in him but if he's fighting top class fighters it will be in their ascension not for titles. I think Whyte is possibly about to be on that path too.
He's got some entertaining scraps left in him but if he's fighting top class fighters it will be in their ascension not for titles. I think Whyte is possibly about to be on that path too.
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