The **BOXING** thread (Vol 3)
Discussion
Amirhussain said:
I fancy Whyte to win but it was a close contest the first time.
Maybe I'm underplaying Chisora a bit, he was good vs Takam. I think Dillian Whyte has come on leaps and bounds though - if he beats Chisora convincingly (which I think he will) he's going to have a tough time getting good fights - really needs the Joshua bout to happen because Fury and Wilder will duck him. He was unlucky Fury got back in the ring so soon really, had a good chance of getting Wilder otherwise and could have beaten him.Mansells Tash said:
While he has a point about Joshua now being in an awkward position, Joe and Brendan Shaub have no idea about AJ obviously.
I seriously have no idea what such an experienced person like Joe is so blind when talking about Wilders "unholy freakish power" ...when a heavyweight swings from the houses with biiiig long Happy Gilmore run ups OF COURSE a professional heavyweight fighter can make power! Problem with that is a skilled fighter can by & large see the punches coming a mile off and get out of the way. ..or am I missing something?
Wilder looked bad and was losing against Ortiz until he got a lucky swing in and outright lost against Fury barring a corrupt decision from that Mexican Judge, at the very least he has been shown to be a flawed fighter when he comes up against a half decent opponent.
I honestly believe he's not a bad man, quite the opposite infact, but as a prize fighter his skillset is unremarkable and I don't think he'll be remembered with the greats.
I think you are going wrong here.I seriously have no idea what such an experienced person like Joe is so blind when talking about Wilders "unholy freakish power" ...when a heavyweight swings from the houses with biiiig long Happy Gilmore run ups OF COURSE a professional heavyweight fighter can make power! Problem with that is a skilled fighter can by & large see the punches coming a mile off and get out of the way. ..or am I missing something?
Wilder looked bad and was losing against Ortiz until he got a lucky swing in and outright lost against Fury barring a corrupt decision from that Mexican Judge, at the very least he has been shown to be a flawed fighter when he comes up against a half decent opponent.
I honestly believe he's not a bad man, quite the opposite infact, but as a prize fighter his skillset is unremarkable and I don't think he'll be remembered with the greats.
To say Wilder isn't a freak puncher is an unusual opinion. If others could do what he could do, then they would. Many boxerswould would soon get injured if they attempted his style
I think post Fury and Otiz, Wilder has gone up in many people books, as he has fought two good opponents finally and whilst performances haven't been great, nether the less he aquited himself to a high standard and showed he does have the right to play at the elite table and deserved to hold a belt.You say a skilled fighter could see his big punches and get out of the way - Tyson Fury is the most defensively skilled heavyweight out there, he is the Mayweather of Heavyweights. What Wilder has is pace and ability to punch without having his feet planted - no AJ uppercuts to be seen!
As a boxer, he isn't good. As a 'prize fighter' it matters not his skillset, only that he wins and gets the prize...
Will Wilder be remembered by the greats? Unlikely. However with Tyson back, there is every change AJ will not be either. As AJ is slower than Wilder, needs his feet planted for his power punches and Tyson can only be better when he fights AJ,
Out of the 3, AJ-WIlder is a 50-50. AJ is better but chin is weak and so he will stay behind the jab like with Parker. If Wilder can get through Tysons defence, he has a punchers chance against AJ.
Tyson *could* walkover AJ as per Wlad, as Aj isn't as fast as Wilder. Out of the 3, I personally have Aj and WIlder as a tie, and Fury favourite against AJ,
Edited by hyphen on Tuesday 11th December 19:32
ash73 said:
Wilder has also shown he can take a punch.
Against who though? He hasn't fought any big punchers and got wobbled a good few times by Fury and almost got put out by an old and exhausted Ortiz. Make no mistake, if he fights Joshua and Joshua lands a flush counter then he's going to be taking a nap. As it happens, I still view that fight as a 50/50 type affair. They both have the power to take the other guy out and it'll be a case of who lands first.
theboyfold said:
Fielding vs Canelo this weekend, that's one way traffic for Canelo right? I can't see Fielding coming through this test at all.
As I sort of said a few pages back, rocky is a lanky and rangey super middle, Canelo is a pumped up super welter. I'm sure he's getting good sparring and will be prepared but he's still giving away a lot of height and reach. Should canelo come through this looking good and decide he wants to win (proper) World titles at super middle he's got a shout for being considered a real historical great. FredClogs said:
As I sort of said a few pages back, rocky is a lanky and rangey super middle, Canelo is a pumped up super welter. I'm sure he's getting good sparring and will be prepared but he's still giving away a lot of height and reach. Should canelo come through this looking good and decide he wants to win (proper) World titles at super middle he's got a shout for being considered a real historical great.
I agree, but surely.... Canelo isn't going to trouble the top super middleweights. I suspect he is going to nab the regular title from Rocky so his team can say he is then also the super middleweight "world champion". And then drop back down before he meets any stiff opposition.
king cool i'd say!!!I think the decisions were not that important. He fought GGG to a standstill giving no quarter. To me the result itself is not as important as the performance. Scoring is for old men to pontificate on at the end of the fight.
PEDS are a contentious point but if you take the time to study what is going on behind professional sport the n you will quickly discover it is a rabbit hole you really shouldn't have gone down.
PEDS are a contentious point but if you take the time to study what is going on behind professional sport the n you will quickly discover it is a rabbit hole you really shouldn't have gone down.
272BHP said:
PEDS are a contentious point but if you take the time to study what is going on behind professional sport the n you will quickly discover it is a rabbit hole you really shouldn't have gone down.
Unfortunately that's true. On the one hand, we want to see almost super-human levels of performance. And on the other, we don't like to think how they got to that level.tuscaneer said:
Yes, very good news. Particularly as Sky have pretty much decided to dilute the quality of their non PPV Saturday night fight shows. Should give them some competition.Amirhussain said:
Chisora vs Whyte in just over a weeks time. Winner expected to face AJ in April...Chisora vs AJ PPV...hmm can’t see that being massively appealing. Let’s hope Fury is at ringside!
Personally the idea of Chisora Whyte being PPV next to an actual world title fight isn't appealing to me. But like Eddie says, Warrington Frampton is a "Trade" fight - just like he said fights like Loma vs Rigo and Ward vs Kovalev were.Personally, I want to see AJ trying to get the unification fight with Wilder. I want a unified British champion, and I want 2 Brits to then fight it out for the Lineal champion - I also think that Wilders camp would rather take the AJ fight if possible as they must be pretty sure that Fury will be even harder to get too next time, and the money in the AJ fight would be huge. If Wilder looses the belt, I can't imagine any top heavyweight getting in with him with no big reward.
JLC25 said:
Amirhussain said:
Chisora vs Whyte in just over a weeks time. Winner expected to face AJ in April...Chisora vs AJ PPV...hmm can’t see that being massively appealing. Let’s hope Fury is at ringside!
Personally the idea of Chisora Whyte being PPV next to an actual world title fight isn't appealing to me. But like Eddie says, Warrington Frampton is a "Trade" fight - just like he said fights like Loma vs Rigo and Ward vs Kovalev were.Personally, I want to see AJ trying to get the unification fight with Wilder. I want a unified British champion, and I want 2 Brits to then fight it out for the Lineal champion - I also think that Wilders camp would rather take the AJ fight if possible as they must be pretty sure that Fury will be even harder to get too next time, and the money in the AJ fight would be huge. If Wilder looses the belt, I can't imagine any top heavyweight getting in with him with no big reward.
If the fight doesn’t come off it can only be because wilder is asking for way too much.
As someone said whyte vs Miller would be a great eliminator but Miller needs a decent name next to get it. Whyte has already placed himself and if wilder or ah want the winner they will need to each fight someone else and there aren’t a lot of good candidates to sell tickets aside from fury
EddieSteadyGo said:
tuscaneer said:
Yes, very good news. Particularly as Sky have pretty much decided to dilute the quality of their non PPV Saturday night fight shows. Should give them some competition.Matchroom are getting hit both sides of the pond, with Dazn signing up a second promoter in Golden boy and now Al entering the UK market.
Al Harmon has a reputation for looking for after his fighters so UK promoters need to beware, profit margins will tighten. Matchroom fighters such as Khan have already worked with Al.
Free to air fights of a decent quality on ITV1 would be amazing for boxing in the UK.
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