The **BOXING** thread (Vol 3)

[tuscaneer]

the state that both of them are in makes it a complete st show at this point if you ask me.. both should be well retired by now... it's a very unforgiving sport and both have been through the mill several times..

[andburg]

it cant be any worse than Haye Vs Bellew.....

[paua]

Parker vs Chisora coming early next month, opinions?

[andburg]

paua said:

Parker vs Chisora coming early next month, opinions?

Parker to win with a late KO

Del is past it, hes got the right style to beat Parker but hes no longer got the punch resistance he needs.

[tuscaneer]

andburg said:

it cant be any worse than Haye Vs Bellew.....

i think in that instance nobody quite knew how shot to st haye was, and bellew still had some tread on the tyres.... in retrospect it was grim but beforehand didn't look too bad......

[tuscaneer]

andburg said:

Parker to win with a late KO

Del is past it, hes got the right style to beat Parker but hes no longer got the punch resistance he needs.

i'll be interested to see what effect having andy lee in his corner will have on parker

[andburg]

tuscaneer said:

i'll be interested to see what effect having andy lee in his corner will have on parker

bit of luck he will loosen Parker up a bit, he's athletic and can move and hit but has been more static recently.
If he can get him moving and and get him to follow up that jab he would be much improved.

edit to add: not sure it the loss of mobility and aggression has come from his increased size or from no longer facing tin cans but thats what I'd like Lee to get back

Edited by andburg on Thursday 8th April 10:50

[paua]

tuscaneer said:

andburg said:

Parker to win with a late KO

Del is past it, hes got the right style to beat Parker but hes no longer got the punch resistance he needs.

i'll be interested to see what effect having andy lee in his corner will have on parker

Agreed. Previous coach ( Kevin Barry), despite having pushed Holyfield to a disqualification at the '84 Olympics ( punching after the bell) isn't that popular here (NZ) . Also coached David Tua - that divorce was acrimonious. As a kiwi, I'd like to see Parker do well, but don't think he's really in the top class.
Interested to see if changing coach helps him.

[ACCYSTAN]

paua said:

Parker vs Chisora coming early next month, opinions?

Parker wins, but it’s never a PPV headliner


I felt Frank Warren was holding back earlier when he was interviewed live on talksport about the Fury vs Joshua agreement,

I expect there will be an announcement by Monday night.

[Pugaris]

ACCYSTAN said:

Parker wins, but it’s never a PPV headliner

Agree on this but it's also not a typical card. You've got Taylor, Bivol and Eubank Jr all fighting as well - all of whom can headline a non-PPV card. They're all in gimme fights, though - if they had matchups as competitive as Chisora vs Parker I think it'd be PPV-worthy overall.

[Lee Jones Jnr]

tuscaneer said:

i think in that instance nobody quite knew how shot to st haye was, and bellew still had some tread on the tyres.... in retrospect it was grim but beforehand didn't look too bad......

Exactly this.
Even the very best of Bellew doesn’t belong in the same sport, let alone same ring as the best of David Haye. It just wasn’t clear at the time that that was the guy that used to be David Haye.

[Bright Halo]

Lee Jones Jnr said:

tuscaneer said:

i think in that instance nobody quite knew how shot to st haye was, and bellew still had some tread on the tyres.... in retrospect it was grim but beforehand didn't look too bad......

Exactly this.
Even the very best of Bellew doesn’t belong in the same sport, let alone same ring as the best of David Haye. It just wasn’t clear at the time that that was the guy that used to be David Haye.

I still wonder what really happened to Haye as that was as a dramatic loss of form as I have ever seen.

[Lee Jones Jnr]

Bright Halo said:

I still wonder what really happened to Haye as that was as a dramatic loss of form as I have ever seen.

Nothing. He retired because he was at the end and then bad business deals in Dubai and an acrimonious divorce left him needing money.
Mark was anticipating the Haye of old and was too static so Haye was able to stand and launch power shots. If he’d have put it on him he would probably have won. Gjergjaj probably didn’t have a chance even against the man that used to be Haye but he was beaten before he went in, much like a 1980s Tyson opponent.

[hyphen]

ACCYSTAN said:

andburg said:

lets be honest us adults don't care about that fight now either

They have missed the boat

I blame Kahn more than Brook, Brook always seemed the more eager where as Khan kept putting it off with his USA pay days

And that ladies and gentlemen is why many boxing fans will pay for this fight. They blame Khan for avoiding this fight and also his general persona. And hope Brook will KO.

I watched one episode of Khans new reality show and switch off Talented guy, but not intelligent so lacks the Ring IQ to defend the flawed chin.

So many inactive years, what a waste. He only wants to fight for the money to finish off that ugly wedding venue he is building.

[ofcorsa]

hyphen said:

And that ladies and gentlemen is why many boxing fans will pay for this fight. They blame Khan for avoiding this fight and also his general persona. And hope Brook will KO.

I watched one episode of Khans new reality show and switch off Talented guy, but not intelligent so lacks the Ring IQ to defend the flawed chin.

So many inactive years, what a waste.

I kinda feel sorry for Khan,he was an exciting fighter who I would have liked to have seen more of, he literally wasted his prime years waiting for fights that never happened.

[hyphen]

ofcorsa said:

I kinda feel sorry for Khan,he was an exciting fighter who I would have liked to have seen more of, he literally wasted his prime years waiting for fights that never happened.

Khan should never have taken on Canelo. Brook shouldn't gave taken on GGG, (or come down in weight for Spence). Garcia shouldn't have taken on Spemce neither.

Once you get smacked like that, or get so embarrassed, you aren't the same fighter again.

Going up in weight to immediately fight the best in the division should be banned.

Edited by hyphen on Thursday 8th April 16:44

[hyphen]

Bright Halo said:

I still wonder what really happened to Haye as that was as a dramatic loss of form as I have ever seen.

Issue with his legs? Didn't think it was ambiguous. His body went.

Perhaps he was on some PEDs that messed him up. He did go from cruiserweight to heavyweight.

[tuscaneer]

Lee Jones Jnr said:

tuscaneer said:

i think in that instance nobody quite knew how shot to st haye was, and bellew still had some tread on the tyres.... in retrospect it was grim but beforehand didn't look too bad......

Exactly this.
Even the very best of Bellew doesn’t belong in the same sport, let alone same ring as the best of David Haye. It just wasn’t clear at the time that that was the guy that used to be David Haye.

interestingly, and i think tony has said this in public so i won't be telling tales out of school, the talk of the spars between him and haye and pricey and haye are quite interesting.....

i know sparring is sparring and a fight is a fight but by all accounts (i can't remember for which haye fight) they both went down to haye's gym to prep him for an upcoming fight and gave him a very hard time... pricey i can see it, he's massive and has a cracking jab and the reach of king kong..... i was surprised at bellew having such apparent success though... i have been a big fan of haye since the amateurs...i remember watching him in the world's i think it was.. it was actually on bbc if memory serves me... anyway he was just captivating to watch. can't remember who the opponent was but he threw this right hand that he turned into an uppercut from a good way out, landed and dropped the guy... i'd never seen anyone throw that punch before and it was so instantanious..incredible)
saunders does it off the jab...derry showed me how to do it on the pads (i'm southpaw too)...great, sneaky shot..launch a jab to the chest then pivot your knuckles outward and downward at the end of the shot and sneak under a high guard... really difficult to do and you lose a bit of power but it works in sparring.. nobody expects it to come...


anyway, there was never a flicker of doubt in bellew when the fight was made... i remember thinking to myself there was no way he could win..... either he knew more about the injury or that sparring from years earlier had given him enough confidence to think he could clean out an older , slower haye.

[tuscaneer]

paua said:

tuscaneer said:

andburg said:

Parker to win with a late KO

Del is past it, hes got the right style to beat Parker but hes no longer got the punch resistance he needs.

i'll be interested to see what effect having andy lee in his corner will have on parker

Agreed. Previous coach ( Kevin Barry), despite having pushed Holyfield to a disqualification at the '84 Olympics ( punching after the bell) isn't that popular here (NZ) . Also coached David Tua - that divorce was acrimonious. As a kiwi, I'd like to see Parker do well, but don't think he's really in the top class.
Interested to see if changing coach helps him.

i think it will.... i like kevin barry but i do feel he seizes on one or two good things a fighter does and makes them a bit of a one trick pony.... also, it does feel like you guys are way out on a limb down there.. with such a small population the pool of boxing talent must be tiny... if parker is based over here at least he's right in the thick of it!

[fridaypassion]

It's one of the oddities of boxing that almost all of the fighters in a division will have had these behind closed doors dust ups. Maybe these sessions influence taking on certain opponents in the future.

5 live pod replayed fury taking about sparring AJ ten years ago and been impressed. I think he actually said AJ would be world champ.

They seem to be ducking each other now!