The **BOXING** thread (Vol 3)

[EddieSteadyGo]

FredClogs said:

hyphen said:

BBC journalist Steve Bunce has said rumours going around that Joshua will fight Miller in USA, but if that is the case and with Wembley booked already, Wladamir may be up for a fight with Whyte at Wembley instead.

I'll be flabbergasted if that's correct. Buncey is prone to getting carried away with himself.

The Wladamir comeback rumours have been around for a while.... Hearn was referring to this as his "wildcard" option a couple of months ago.

If we look at what we know - Hearn is worried about filling Wembley, hence why he has been throwing around ideas like releasing the date or even giving the slot to Khan/Brook instead.

My guess is that it isn't about the money for this fight - if they go with the date, and it doesn't sellout, it blows apart the myth about Joshua being the "biggest star in world boxing". Plus they can't use Stubhub to manipulate the ticket market as they have done before. And if it doesn't sell out, that would have ramifications for the next few fights and crucially the split to be offered to Wilder and Fury, which is the much bigger prize.

If Joshua goes to fight next in the US vs Miller, people would accept he would need time to build his profile. But I don't think he would give up his Wembley slot to do that next. And Miller has the problem he won't sign up to Vada ... suspect we will see Miller smash through a couple more people lower down the rankings, before signing up to VADA, coming off any juice, and then getting easily beaten by Joshua by KO. Would be a career best paypay for Miller and would boost Joshua's profile in the US.

My guess would be Fury and Wilder do their rematch on Showtime, probably around June. And if Wladamir is to return, I think it would be Whyte vs Wladamir as the chief support to Joshua at Wembley.

I would expect Wladamir to demolish Whyte, even though he is old and has being out of the ring for 2 more years. Which then gives Hearn a valid alternative route with a Wladamir vs Joshua rematch, if they can't get Fury or Wilder to be "realistic" on the split.

[Amirhussain]

Also been reading that Marcos Maidana is planning his comeback.

[Amirhussain]

Liam Smith has signed with Matchroom. Few rumours floating about of a possible fight with Brook...

[MonkeyBusiness]

Amirhussain said:

Also been reading that Marcos Maidana is planning his comeback.

Won't that require a diet of Tyson proportions? He's a big lad now.

[tuscaneer]

Gameface said:

hyphen said:

Wladamir may be up for a fight with Whyte at Wembley instead.

Tusc just got a semi...

[StuTheGrouch]

MonkeyBusiness said:

Amirhussain said:

Also been reading that Marcos Maidana is planning his comeback.

Won't that require a diet of Tyson proportions? He's a big lad now.

He's not that big!!

One of my favourite fighters, purely because he beat the st out of Broner. An aggressive come-forward fighter who was brilliant to watch.

[Amirhussain]

StuTheGrouch said:

MonkeyBusiness said:

Amirhussain said:

Also been reading that Marcos Maidana is planning his comeback.

Won't that require a diet of Tyson proportions? He's a big lad now.

One of my favourite fighters, purely because he beat the st out of Broner. An aggressive come-forward fighter who was brilliant to watch.

That was awesome to watch. Properly took Broner to school that night. His fight with Khan was a classic too.

[Amirhussain]

FredClogs said:

hyphen said:

BBC journalist Steve Bunce has said rumours going around that Joshua will fight Miller in USA, but if that is the case and with Wembley booked already, Wladamir may be up for a fight with Whyte at Wembley instead.

I'll be flabbergasted if that's correct. Buncey is prone to getting carried away with himself.

Whyte saying that Hearn and Co. are offering him less money than he made against the Chisora rematch to fight AJ on April 13th. Can see that fight flipping now.

Just going to go round and round in circles.

[FredClogs]

Amirhussain said:

FredClogs said:

hyphen said:

BBC journalist Steve Bunce has said rumours going around that Joshua will fight Miller in USA, but if that is the case and with Wembley booked already, Wladamir may be up for a fight with Whyte at Wembley instead.

I'll be flabbergasted if that's correct. Buncey is prone to getting carried away with himself.

Whyte saying that Hearn and Co. are offering him less money than he made against the Chisora rematch to fight AJ on April 13th. Can see that fight flipping now.

Just going to go round and round in circles.

I'm not jumping on the Hearn hater band wagon, I think he's great and done a great job for British boxing and boxers over the last few years, but it does show a bit of a flaw in his business plan if he's committed loads of money to booking Wembley before he had a fight worthy of such a massive venue.

I'd love to see Warrington and Gallahad in a unification but I'm afraid it's only the heavyweights that can attract these kind of ticket sales.

[Nick_13]

FredClogs said:

I'm not jumping on the Hearn hater band wagon, I think he's great and done a great job for British boxing and boxers over the last few years, but it does show a bit of a flaw in his business plan if he's committed loads of money to booking Wembley before he had a fight worthy of such a massive venue.

I'd love to see Warrington and Gallahad in a unification but I'm afraid it's only the heavyweights that can attract these kind of ticket sales.

I am a huge fan of Hearn and usually I would defend him to the death but I am starting to smell something a little fishy around the way things have developed over the last few months regarding AJ’s next oponent. Constantly blaming other sides for fights not happening etc.

Warrington has to face Galahad next or vacate his belt. Ordered with no exceptions! Unless I have missed something it would not be a unification?

[Davos123]

Hearn is so obviously full of st over April. There are 3 fighters who would jump at the chance to fight him then and would sell out Wembley.

Hearn and AJ are either being pussies, greedy or both.

Edited by Davos123 on Saturday 12th January 16:13

[FredClogs]

Nick_13 said:

FredClogs said:

I'm not jumping on the Hearn hater band wagon, I think he's great and done a great job for British boxing and boxers over the last few years, but it does show a bit of a flaw in his business plan if he's committed loads of money to booking Wembley before he had a fight worthy of such a massive venue.

I'd love to see Warrington and Gallahad in a unification but I'm afraid it's only the heavyweights that can attract these kind of ticket sales.

I am a huge fan of Hearn and usually I would defend him to the death but I am starting to smell something a little fishy around the way things have developed over the last few months regarding AJ’s next oponent. Constantly blaming other sides for fights not happening etc.

Warrington has to face Galahad next or vacate his belt. Ordered with no exceptions! Unless I have missed something it would not be a unification?

I meant to say Warrington OR Galahad in a unification with Santa Cruz, but Valdez has the other belt anyway. Ignore me, its been a long week.

[EddieSteadyGo]

Davos123 said:

Hearn and AJ are either being pussies, greedy or both.

Greedy gets my vote. They are so insistent on retaining the lion's share, they would rather lose an opportunity than compromise.

They could make the fight with Fury at 60/40. And bearing in mind that is 60% of a massive amount of money. But they will always try and offer a fixed price to their opponent, so they retain the promotion and the upside.

[EddieSteadyGo]

Nick_13 said:

I am a huge fan of Hearn and usually I would defend him to the death but I am starting to smell something a little fishy around the way things have developed over the last few months regarding AJ’s next oponent. Constantly blaming other sides for fights not happening etc.

They (Hearn/AJ) are trying to behave as if they are Mayweather i.e. their deal or no deal. Hence why they booked Wembley (to show they dictate the pace).

Except they were premature. They assumed they could continue using Stubhub to manipulate the ticket availability when they made their original 2 date reservation. And I personally think the public started to see through Hearn's BS with the debacle over the Wilder "negotiation", particularly with his childish jibs against Finkel.

[hyphen]

Joshua's dull, safety at all costs approach against Parker started a a downhill slope, then Povetkin didn't help as not a large enough name to replace the name the public expected to see.

It's not boxing fans filling out Wembley and Cardiff, it's mainstream viewers and they lose interest very quickly.

I have no idea if Miller is a big name in the USA, but suspect not and only 10 people may buy it seeing as it's on Dazn rather than the telly so not sure it will raise his profile that much state side.

Miller is signed to matchroom so suits Eddie

If he doesn't fight Wilder or Fury, AJ will have to do Im a celebrity, get me out of here in a few years like Khan and Haye to maintain public interest!

And the stupid thing is, the public really don't mind their fighter losing as long as it's a thrilling event. Hence why Khan is still a big name, and why Brook is also still popular.

AJ losing a exciting war against Wilder wouldn't affect his popularity. But he thinks he is astute like Mayweather, who made his money playing the bad guy not the good one.

Edited by hyphen on Friday 11th January 21:10

[EddieSteadyGo]

hyphen said:

Joshua's dull, safety at all costs approach against Parker started a a downhill slope,...

That's true. He started to try and emulate Klitschko approach to boxing, thinking winning is what matters rather than providing entertainment.

[hyphen]

Regarding Khan-Crawford. Press conference announced for Tuesday in London.
https://www.boxingnews24.com/2019/01/terence-crawf...

[hyphen]

hyphen said:

Regarding Khan-Crawford. Press conference announced for Tuesday in London.
https://www.boxingnews24.com/2019/01/terence-crawf...

BBC have confirmed it's going ahead.

Hope Khan has gotten it approve with his new trainers, as Virgil wasn't in favour of Canelo but Khan though he knew better...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/46850643

[EddieSteadyGo]

hyphen said:

BBC have confirmed it's going ahead.

Hope Khan has gotten it approve with his new trainers, as Virgil wasn't in favour of Canelo but Khan though he knew better...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/46850643

From a sporting point of view, I think this is the better contest. And it saves us from a tedious build up with Khan and Brook insulting each other.

I wonder if one factor which influenced Khan is Crawford hasn't been at welterweight for that long. I think he started out at lightweight and spent most of his career at light-welter.

Khan is (understandably) wary of the guys who boil down to the weight and come fight night are much heavier than him. I don't think he will have that problem with Crawford. Instead he will just have to deal with an excellent boxer...

I remembered watching Viktor Postol vs Crawford on Youtube when it was announced Josh Taylor was going to be fighting Postol, just so I could see what Postol was like in advance.

Whilst Taylor and Crawford both got the win against Postol, Crawford made it look easy whereas Taylor (who himself is a talent) laboured quite a bit.

But if Khan can win, he is straight back into massive fights...

ETA : I know it was mentioned before, but Khan has played Hearn superbly. Gets two big paydays fighting second rate opposition where Matchroom would be losing money. And then ensures he has the contractual flexibility to switch to the fight he prefers for the third fight (which is the one Hearn was supposed to be using to make a return on his investment).

I don't think we are going to see Khan continue to be promoted by Hearn for his 4th fight back....

Edited by EddieSteadyGo on Saturday 12th January 18:46

[Davos123]

EddieSteadyGo said:

I don't think we are going to see Khan continue to be promoted by Hearn for his 4th fight back....

Meh, Crawford will beat him into retirement anyway.