The **BOXING** thread (Vol 3)
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hyphen said:
andburg said:
Floyd did exactly what he needed to, he gave the public some entertainment. .
The crowd booed at the end, which is a most unusual way of showing that they were entertained. Normally they cheer and clap and stuff
My feeling was FM was trying to go for the kill. LP has bragging rights to say he survived a match with FM.
Mojooo said:
The type of people that watched it (me included) - will lap it up. I didn't pay mind.
My feeling was FM was trying to go for the kill. LP has bragging rights to say he survived a match with FM.
There was a moment in one of the middle rounds where Floyd hit him with a body shot and Logan was in serious pain. Floyd had a look of "oh sMy feeling was FM was trying to go for the kill. LP has bragging rights to say he survived a match with FM.
t, wasn't meant to do that" on his face and backed off, the ref allowed Logan some time to recover. That moment should tell you that Mayweather was not going for the kill. He was pulling his punches and the one that he didn't had Paul doubled over in pain. Could have had him out any time he wanted.
Pugaris said:
And McGregor was a pro bout and he took it easy and made a show of it then.
I think what happened with Tensin is that he started to sit on his punches and Mayweather just went "well if you're not going to treat it as an exhibition, neither will I" and finished him off. Floyd was making a show of it until Tensin started trying to punch with intent.
I don't think the same will happen with Paul because a) Tensin is the best kickboxer in the world and could actually land the odd punch. Paul won't get anywhere near landing on Floyd unless Floyd lets him and b) finishing that Tensin fight early made little difference to Mayweather's future earnings (he got the Paul fight, after all). Ending a Logan early means a lot less interest in Mayweather vs Jake, which I think is what Money wants because it'll make him $100m or more.
Well... It was a 'pro bout' rather than a pro bout but yeah, I see what you mean.I think what happened with Tensin is that he started to sit on his punches and Mayweather just went "well if you're not going to treat it as an exhibition, neither will I" and finished him off. Floyd was making a show of it until Tensin started trying to punch with intent.
I don't think the same will happen with Paul because a) Tensin is the best kickboxer in the world and could actually land the odd punch. Paul won't get anywhere near landing on Floyd unless Floyd lets him and b) finishing that Tensin fight early made little difference to Mayweather's future earnings (he got the Paul fight, after all). Ending a Logan early means a lot less interest in Mayweather vs Jake, which I think is what Money wants because it'll make him $100m or more.
Ultimately I just don't care what Mayweather does, nor any of the YouTube/Strongman/Whatever 'boxing matches' that go on.
biggbn said:
Thought...what happens with Big Joe Joyce if Usyk fights AJ? Joyce was to fight Usyk next as I understand it, will he get the winner of the big one or back to treading water after the momentum he has built up?
Crying shame for Joyce when Dubois has been back out after getting a beating. If I were Joyce I'd be looking to ditch Frank Warren and if I were an up and coming boxer FW would be the last choice of promoter. He's past it. Backing Dubois as the next boxing messiah I just never got. Joyce is a better talent I see him as in the top 10 in the world. The division is all over the shop at the moment with this Fury AJ fiasco. Look at Ring Magazine:https://www.ringtv.com/ratings/?weightclass=272
A lot of that makes no sense to me!
Fighters I really want to see cracking on are Usyk - Joyce - Ruiz
I think Joyce has way more potential than he's ever had credit for but at his age he won't get the chance to show it the way the modern game is with such huge periods of inactivity.
I think AJ ducks Usyk. He would never beat him its just too risky it's obvious.
Warren said:
Warren said to BT Sport Boxing: “Unfortunately with Joe, he had a really good win when he beat Daniel, and we’ve not been able to capitalise on it. The only way to capitalise on it, being number 2 in the WBO, he will become the mandatory challenger to the winner of Usyk and AJ if it takes place, providing they can agree terms.
“If AJ vacates the title, then Usyk will have to fight Joe. But we can’t sit around and keep waiting, which we’ve been doing and doing. So Joe will fight either on the 24th or 31st of July and those two names [Takam and Yoka] are really on that list.”
“He needs a big name, he needs to be in with a big name, and he needs to move forward,” added Warren.
“He’s an exceptional fighter at heavyweight and obviously he’ll be looking tonight at Daniel (Dubois) and thinking to himself ‘I need to get out’. He wants to be out, he’s been very patient and we’ve had to work hard as I say to keep that position in the WBO. Now he’s gotta fight and he will be out next month.”
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/sports/boxing/joe-joyce-teed-up-for-carlos-takam-or-tony-yoka/ar-AAKNbpa“If AJ vacates the title, then Usyk will have to fight Joe. But we can’t sit around and keep waiting, which we’ve been doing and doing. So Joe will fight either on the 24th or 31st of July and those two names [Takam and Yoka] are really on that list.”
“He needs a big name, he needs to be in with a big name, and he needs to move forward,” added Warren.
“He’s an exceptional fighter at heavyweight and obviously he’ll be looking tonight at Daniel (Dubois) and thinking to himself ‘I need to get out’. He wants to be out, he’s been very patient and we’ve had to work hard as I say to keep that position in the WBO. Now he’s gotta fight and he will be out next month.”
fridaypassion said:
Hadnt seen that but fighting an OAP or a kid is not worthy of where his is in his career IMHO.
Yoka is an Olympic gold medalist and if he hadn't been busted as a drugs cheat would I think be higher up the pecking order. I think that would actually be a good fight to watch even if it doesn't do much for Joe.I thought Joe was being lined up to defend the EBU title against Marco Huck. I'd rather see him fight Yoka tbh.
With AJ, Fury and Usyk keeping themselves busy the likes of Joe are going to have to keep busy in lesser fights.
There's no shortage of decent fights at heavyweight for Joyce - Manuel Charr, Trevor Bryan, Parker, Pulev, Dyllian Whyte, Ruiz, Ortiz, Otto Wallin, Hrgovic, Hunter... Plus 4 or 5 others... He needs to beat a couple of top 10 guys and make himself undeniable, he's too old to be protected, it's now or never for him, it could be another 3 years before the Fury, AJ, Usyk, Wilder thing has played out and all the other guys need to stop kidding themselves they're going to break into that and just settle for the silver or regular champion belts for now and hope they're the mandatory when the fairground ride stops.
Mojooo said:
The type of people that watched it (me included) - will lap it up. I didn't pay mind.
My feeling was FM was trying to go for the kill. LP has bragging rights to say he survived a match with FM.
Short of pulling him up a chair and getting him a drink Mayweather did everything he could to carry the guy to the end of that 'fight'. He could have stopped him a couple of rounds in with the slightest amount of effort. I think he just decided there were more future money prospects in making it look slightly less like a total pummeling. My feeling was FM was trying to go for the kill. LP has bragging rights to say he survived a match with FM.
hairykrishna said:
Mojooo said:
The type of people that watched it (me included) - will lap it up. I didn't pay mind.
My feeling was FM was trying to go for the kill. LP has bragging rights to say he survived a match with FM.
Short of pulling him up a chair and getting him a drink Mayweather did everything he could to carry the guy to the end of that 'fight'. He could have stopped him a couple of rounds in with the slightest amount of effort. I think he just decided there were more future money prospects in making it look slightly less like a total pummeling. My feeling was FM was trying to go for the kill. LP has bragging rights to say he survived a match with FM.
Just watched the Mayweather Paul fight I think Floyd's reflexes have gone. Conditioning still unreal as usual hardly out of puff after what was a pretty hard physical fight with Paul leaning on him for nearly all of it. To be fair to Paul he showed some degree of skill there to keep Mayweather at bay just managed to keep him at length. Mayweather was very frustrated there was proper needle in there!
I know real boxing fans don't like these shows but to be fair to Paul he's trained for that as a pro would have done and if he wanted a second career I don't think it would be beyond him to take on some serious fights.
I know real boxing fans don't like these shows but to be fair to Paul he's trained for that as a pro would have done and if he wanted a second career I don't think it would be beyond him to take on some serious fights.
fridaypassion said:
I know real boxing fans don't like these shows but to be fair to Paul he's trained for that as a pro would have done and if he wanted a second career I don't think it would be beyond him to take on some serious fights.
I don't think he'd have a hope in hell against fighters who have trained all their lives. Logan would have been taken apart within a round by someone who wasn't trying to make a show of it.
Logan would also probably end up fighting Light Heavyweight / Cruiserweight and the power of those guys is no joke.
g4ry13 said:
I don't think he'd have a hope in hell against fighters who have trained all their lives. Logan would have been taken apart within a round by someone who wasn't trying to make a show of it.
I have to admit, I'm intrigued by what his brother is doing, though. He's been training hard at boxing for about 4 years now, taking it up at only a year or two older than Wilder and Joshua were (though not being a HW makes a big difference there). He has access to the best trainers and team in the world and can afford to bring in excellent sparring partners. He's an athletic enough guy and he showed in the Askren fight that he has some power.
I'm morbidly interested in the questions he's posing with his fights now. Didn't care when he was fighting fellow YouTubers and thought the Nate Robinsin fight was pointless - the question there was "who wins, someone training in boxing for 3 years or an elite athlete who's been training for 6 weeks?" and the answer was very obvious to me (though seemingly not to a lot of people). The Askren fight was intriguing, I was pretty confident Paul would win but "can a terrible striker from the MMA win a boxing match against this guy?" was at least slightly interesting. Now he's taking on a better striker it's getting even more interesting.
Ultimately, I think he beats every MMA fighter that weighs the same/less than him and doesn't have an actual boxing background (learning to punch for MMA is not the same as training in boxing) but it's pretty funny seeing him troll the f
k out of Dana White and giving these guys massive paydays they never got from Dana. Once he's done with the MMA guys I hope he starts taking on really st boxers to see if he can handle that level and then just see how far he can go. Obviously he won't get anywhere near the top, but could he get to a level where he's able to beat an average cruiser? Possibly and I'm down for the ride.Couldn't care less about exhibitions with actual, top boxers, retired or not. They can obviously smash him up whenever they want to.
Boxing fans are weird...The amount of negative press that Floyd vs Logan had is crazy.
In any other sport, if a legend of that sport decided to do an exhibition against a random dude, everyone would be cheering them on. E.g. if Michael Jordan decided to rock up and do a one on one on some random basketball court, people would think that's the coolest thing ever.
In any other sport, if a legend of that sport decided to do an exhibition against a random dude, everyone would be cheering them on. E.g. if Michael Jordan decided to rock up and do a one on one on some random basketball court, people would think that's the coolest thing ever.
fridaypassion said:
Just watched the Mayweather Paul fight I think Floyd's reflexes have gone. Conditioning still unreal as usual hardly out of puff after what was a pretty hard physical fight with Paul leaning on him for nearly all of it. To be fair to Paul he showed some degree of skill there to keep Mayweather at bay just managed to keep him at length. Mayweather was very frustrated there was proper needle in there!
I know real boxing fans don't like these shows but to be fair to Paul he's trained for that as a pro would have done and if he wanted a second career I don't think it would be beyond him to take on some serious fights.
I'm not sure he kept him at bay really nor am I that convinced that getting his arse kicked by a 34 pounds lighter 44 year old shows he's ready for proper fights. I know Mayweather is, annoyingly, one of the all time greats but it was big reach/weight advantage.I know real boxing fans don't like these shows but to be fair to Paul he's trained for that as a pro would have done and if he wanted a second career I don't think it would be beyond him to take on some serious fights.
He'd probably come in at cruiserweight and I think anyone half decent would put him on his arse in short order.
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