Recommend me a better thermostat - it’s cold!
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I have a fairly new build house (6 years) with a Honeywell thermostat, something like this:
However, it is pretty limiting. Last night it got cold and I would have liked it to just keep the temperature at around 15 degrees. However, if it set that prior to going to bed, then when we wake up at 06:00 it would stay at 15 degrees and not the 20 degrees i want.
I have researched programmable thermostats on the internet and see Hive/Nest items, but these look like they are kitted up for turning heating on/off up/down using a mobile phone. I dont need/want this functionality.
What should i be searching for?
Sorry for the basic question....
However, it is pretty limiting. Last night it got cold and I would have liked it to just keep the temperature at around 15 degrees. However, if it set that prior to going to bed, then when we wake up at 06:00 it would stay at 15 degrees and not the 20 degrees i want.
I have researched programmable thermostats on the internet and see Hive/Nest items, but these look like they are kitted up for turning heating on/off up/down using a mobile phone. I dont need/want this functionality.
What should i be searching for?
Sorry for the basic question....
Drayton do a range of programmable thermostats, including wireless ones.
https://www.draytoncontrols.co.uk/products/program...
https://www.draytoncontrols.co.uk/products/program...
Out of interest, why would you not want the remote control functionality?
Fair enough if it's too expensive compared to the more traditional alternatives, or if you think you'd keep forgetting to use it, but it does seem like a good idea to me.
I've not got a remote control one, but have one which has two time settings, so you can have it come on in the morning, go off when people go to work/school, back on again for the evening, then off at night. Whilst that's better than what you've currently got, it's still not particularly flexible....
- We have to choose between my wife having to get up to a cold house on her early morning shift days, or have it come on earlier than necessary the rest of the week.
- It can't differentiate between weekdays and weekends, so if we go out on a weekend morning and forget to turn the heating to constant, they house will be cold if we get back for lunch.
- Linked to the above, if you turn it on to constant and forget to turn it off, the heating carrying on blazing away all night.
- If we go away for Christmas, I'll have to leave the heating on low just in case there's a cold snap. With a remote controlled thermostat, I could leave it off to save money, and flick it back on from a couple of hundred miles away if needed to avoid pipes freezing.
Fair enough if it's too expensive compared to the more traditional alternatives, or if you think you'd keep forgetting to use it, but it does seem like a good idea to me.
I've not got a remote control one, but have one which has two time settings, so you can have it come on in the morning, go off when people go to work/school, back on again for the evening, then off at night. Whilst that's better than what you've currently got, it's still not particularly flexible....
- We have to choose between my wife having to get up to a cold house on her early morning shift days, or have it come on earlier than necessary the rest of the week.
- It can't differentiate between weekdays and weekends, so if we go out on a weekend morning and forget to turn the heating to constant, they house will be cold if we get back for lunch.
- Linked to the above, if you turn it on to constant and forget to turn it off, the heating carrying on blazing away all night.
- If we go away for Christmas, I'll have to leave the heating on low just in case there's a cold snap. With a remote controlled thermostat, I could leave it off to save money, and flick it back on from a couple of hundred miles away if needed to avoid pipes freezing.
You can use them without the phone bit.
My Hive has 6 daily time slots which can be configured from the room thermostat, which allows for weekday and weekend variation with a reasonably complicated setup. You can also just give the temperature a short term boost (up to 6 hours) if you're feeling a bit chilly without breaking the schedule.
My Hive has 6 daily time slots which can be configured from the room thermostat, which allows for weekday and weekend variation with a reasonably complicated setup. You can also just give the temperature a short term boost (up to 6 hours) if you're feeling a bit chilly without breaking the schedule.
Thanks Kermit Power - I need flexibility - my boiler has a complex control panel and I can differentiate by the minute as well as week days and weekends. But what it is lacking is the signal from the thermostat.
I need somthing that I can programme. Come on at 06:00 at 20 degrees, unless its the weekend, then come on at 07:30 at 22 degrees, BUT come on at 15 degrees in the room temp falls below 15 degrees.
Almost like an old binary system. Something must be able to do this nowadays....
I dont like the control from phone - i would never use it.
I need somthing that I can programme. Come on at 06:00 at 20 degrees, unless its the weekend, then come on at 07:30 at 22 degrees, BUT come on at 15 degrees in the room temp falls below 15 degrees.
Almost like an old binary system. Something must be able to do this nowadays....
I dont like the control from phone - i would never use it.
I'm using a Tado with radiator valves.
The wall stat works well with accurate control, but the real winner form me is that the radiator valves can start the boiler themselves.
Our house is odd in that the living room can sometimes heat easily, but a bit of wind and it needs more, but the hall gets warm and turns off the boiler. With the Tado radiator stats, if the living room is too cold, but the main stat thinks the hall is hot enough, the boiler still fires and keeps us in the living room warm.
With stats on all areas, each will be as warm as you want, with the boiler only firing when needed.
You can set a schedule (on a phone or iPad) then it works automatically. Also uses the local forecast to adjust the system to cope.
It did replace a simple floureon stat that could be programmed for 6 slots per day 5-2 days so something like that might work for you (they are sold as underfloor heating stats but can be reprogrammed)
Not cheap though, but you can get the stat, and add later.
The wall stat works well with accurate control, but the real winner form me is that the radiator valves can start the boiler themselves.
Our house is odd in that the living room can sometimes heat easily, but a bit of wind and it needs more, but the hall gets warm and turns off the boiler. With the Tado radiator stats, if the living room is too cold, but the main stat thinks the hall is hot enough, the boiler still fires and keeps us in the living room warm.
With stats on all areas, each will be as warm as you want, with the boiler only firing when needed.
You can set a schedule (on a phone or iPad) then it works automatically. Also uses the local forecast to adjust the system to cope.
It did replace a simple floureon stat that could be programmed for 6 slots per day 5-2 days so something like that might work for you (they are sold as underfloor heating stats but can be reprogrammed)
Not cheap though, but you can get the stat, and add later.
Edited by Gary C on Friday 14th December 10:04
Ray Singh said:
Thanks Kermit Power - I need flexibility - my boiler has a complex control panel and I can differentiate by the minute as well as week days and weekends. But what it is lacking is the signal from the thermostat.
I need somthing that I can programme. Come on at 06:00 at 20 degrees, unless its the weekend, then come on at 07:30 at 22 degrees, BUT come on at 15 degrees in the room temp falls below 15 degrees.
Almost like an old binary system. Something must be able to do this nowadays....
I dont like the control from phone - i would never use it.
My Heatmiser thermostats can do this.I need somthing that I can programme. Come on at 06:00 at 20 degrees, unless its the weekend, then come on at 07:30 at 22 degrees, BUT come on at 15 degrees in the room temp falls below 15 degrees.
Almost like an old binary system. Something must be able to do this nowadays....
I dont like the control from phone - i would never use it.
https://www.heatmiser.com/en/neo-ultra/
The basic programmable controllers ive used do as you suggest, you would just set to 15 degrees at say 0800 when you leave the house and it will maintain it.
Our plumber fitted one of these when we had our boiler changed, basic plumb centre unit but has been very good.
https://www.directheatingsupplies.co.uk/basic-wire...
Our plumber fitted one of these when we had our boiler changed, basic plumb centre unit but has been very good.
https://www.directheatingsupplies.co.uk/basic-wire...
Gary C said:
I'm using a Tado with radiator valves.
The wall stat works well with accurate control, but the real winner form me is that the radiator valves can start the boiler themselves.
Our house is odd in that the living room can sometimes heat easily, but a bit of wind and it needs more, but the hall gets warm and turns off the boiler. With the Tado radiator stats, if the living room is too cold, but the main stat thinks the hall is hot enough, the boiler still fires and keeps us in the living room warm.
With stats on all areas, each will be as warm as you want, with the boiler only firing when needed.
You can set a schedule (on a phone or iPad) then it works automatically. Also uses the local forecast to adjust the system to cope.
It did replace a simple floureon stat that could be programmed for 6 slots per day 5-2 days so something like that might work for you (they are sold as underfloor heating stats but can be reprogrammed)
Not cheap though, but you can get the stat, and add later.
I can echo this. I have Tado smart thermostats operating both UFH GF, and rads FF along with Tado Smart TRVs. The fact you can programme individual rooms for their heating requirements is really useful for the various members of our house hold.The wall stat works well with accurate control, but the real winner form me is that the radiator valves can start the boiler themselves.
Our house is odd in that the living room can sometimes heat easily, but a bit of wind and it needs more, but the hall gets warm and turns off the boiler. With the Tado radiator stats, if the living room is too cold, but the main stat thinks the hall is hot enough, the boiler still fires and keeps us in the living room warm.
With stats on all areas, each will be as warm as you want, with the boiler only firing when needed.
You can set a schedule (on a phone or iPad) then it works automatically. Also uses the local forecast to adjust the system to cope.
It did replace a simple floureon stat that could be programmed for 6 slots per day 5-2 days so something like that might work for you (they are sold as underfloor heating stats but can be reprogrammed)
Not cheap though, but you can get the stat, and add later.
Edited by Gary C on Friday 14th December 10:04
It is really clever too, learning how long it takes to heat a room up, and you can then see graphs of heat demand for each stat along side relative humidity and outside conditions.
Hive and Nest both work without phones although once you've started using your phone you'll wonder why you ever faffed about with thermostats again they're generally much easier to program.
Old house had an original Hive was quite clunk without the phone, new house has a nest learning thermostat and that's pretty handy without a phone
Old house had an original Hive was quite clunk without the phone, new house has a nest learning thermostat and that's pretty handy without a phone
Belle427 said:
The basic programmable controllers ive used do as you suggest, you would just set to 15 degrees at say 0800 when you leave the house and it will maintain it.
Our plumber fitted one of these when we had our boiler changed, basic plumb centre unit but has been very good.
https://www.directheatingsupplies.co.uk/basic-wire...
I looked at these for exactly the same reason as the OP last year (but haven't got round to doing anything yet...).Our plumber fitted one of these when we had our boiler changed, basic plumb centre unit but has been very good.
https://www.directheatingsupplies.co.uk/basic-wire...
Are they identical to the Honeywell ones (the CM927 has 'line of text' technology, but other than that awesome innovation)?
Compare
https://www.directheatingsupplies.co.uk/pdfs/CM927...
https://www.directheatingsupplies.co.uk/pdfs/Basic...
Edited by V8Rush on Friday 14th December 15:45
I have a redundant Honeywell CM67 (I think) which I used as a programmable thermostat and just left my boiler on heat 24/7, and programmed all the on/off times on the CM67.
I think it should be an easy swap with what you have (probably two wires in your existing thermostat).
As I have just gone over to Hive I no longer need it so you can have it for free if you like.
I think it should be an easy swap with what you have (probably two wires in your existing thermostat).
As I have just gone over to Hive I no longer need it so you can have it for free if you like.
wilksy61 said:
I have a redundant Honeywell CM67 (I think) which I used as a programmable thermostat and just left my boiler on heat 24/7, and programmed all the on/off times on the CM67.
I think it should be an easy swap with what you have (probably two wires in your existing thermostat).
As I have just gone over to Hive I no longer need it so you can have it for free if you like.
Thanks wilksy61. If you ahev got this spare i would glady take this off your hands. Let me know what I owe you or am happy to pay for P&P.I think it should be an easy swap with what you have (probably two wires in your existing thermostat).
As I have just gone over to Hive I no longer need it so you can have it for free if you like.
It will be worth trying as we control everything from the boiler itself at the moment. Its got a good range of features, but just doesnt quite do what i want it to do.
This will be really helpful and I can experiment. If it all works i can invest in something more expensive at a later date, like Tado, Hive, nest etc.
I will PM you now wilksy61
dmsims said:
Would I want a thermostat whose schedule relied upon a functioning internet connection and 3rd party servers to work ?
Don't get a Tado then!
Mine works fine without a connection. It needs it for setup and for weather, but once it's working, the net can go down and it continues on schedule with the rad stats working on their own (non wifi) network.Don't get a Tado then!
But there are some very simple and cheap wall stats with multiple scheduled temperatures that work quite nicely. Anyone want my old floureon stat (if I can find it)
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