Ashes Cricket 2019

[SydneyBridge]

suthol said:

Mike Brearley wasn't the best player but he was the best captain back then

I am also old enough to remember Brearley as captain and he was a superb captain, and then became a psychologist...

Lots of players have been ruined being made captain, some have thrived
Root was always destined for the captaincy, but it happened much too soon

[warch]

England don't have a senior player we can parachute into the role of captain.

Burns- too young and new in the team
Roy- yep
Root-poor fielding decisions/badly affected batting
Denly-won't be in the team much longer
Stokes-possible?
Buttler-possible but isn't really justifying his place at the moment
Bairstow-lacks the temperament
Woakes-seems to nice for the role
Broad-outgoing/wrong temperament
Anderson-outgoing/ definitely wrong temperament
Archer-far too young
Leach- too new in the team/probably not alpha enough
Ali-not a fixture in the team/good captain at club level though

There are far too few Test quality players who are eligible to play for England. How does Australia generate so many? I know cricket is more popular in Aus, but you'd assume that the population difference 55million v 25 million would offset that.

[zygalski]

We just make the batsmen with the next best Test match batting average captain, regardless of experience or man-management skills.
I could be a selector FFS. Piece of piss job.

[Cheib]

Kettmark said:

Murph7355 said:

Both were far from backing Root today.

Neither offered up an alternative though (tbf they weren't asked to).

Boycott has been asked numerous times in the past as to whom should play/ captain et c for England and he sits on the fence & says he's not paid to make the calls.
Get him or Nicholas in an after dinner speakers roll with a couple of chardonnay in them & it would be rather interesting.

I can’t think of anything worse TBH. Scored a a huge amount of runs but was the anithesis of a team player...I can’t stand listening to his narcissistic ramblings! I have no idea why he’s on such a pedestal. I don’t think he’s in England’s Top 5 openers that I’ve watched play. Gooch, Atherton, Cook, Broad, Strauss, Trescocthick all superior players and played for the team.

Last time an England batsman was deliberately run out buy his team mate ??? I think it was. Check out the video in this link.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story...

[johnfm]

suthol said:

pavarotti1980 said:

suthol said:

Sheffield Shield is 4 days of 3x2hr sessions each the peak of our interstate comp and where all the international players play and get selected from.

The same place are where our short form players must perform to make those top sides

Yep I know and not what I was on about. The poster was referencing weekend grade cricket

It seemed to me he was referencing both in a confused way, test players don't get down to grade games very often ( unless they are suspended from 1st class cricket )

In the days before T20 and central contracts (early 90s) Perth grade cricket (and Sydney and Melbourne I expect) was awash with Eng test players wintering and Aus test players playing when there was no test or Sheffield shield on.

That is no longer the case (obviously) because of T20/Big Bash etc.

[anonymous-user]

Cheib said:

I can’t think of anything worse TBH. Scored a a huge amount of runs but was the anithesis of a team player...I can’t stand listening to his narcissistic ramblings! I have no idea why he’s on such a pedestal. I don’t think he’s in England’s Top 5 openers that I’ve watched play. Gooch, Atherton, Cook, Broad, Strauss, Trescocthick all superior players and played for the team.

Last time an England batsman was deliberately run out buy his team mate ??? I think it was. Check out the video in this link.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story...

I don’t think he’s hugely admired. He’s on the radio and TMS because he’s good value with his ranting and does give some insight. They keep trying to butter him up saying he’s the best and calling him sir Geoff etc but it seems more like they’re taking the piss and trying to get him to come out with some top shelf boasts.

I think he’s viewed more like those old grandparents that come out with funny stuff now and then,

[Leithen]

How about looking to the counties for a current captain - James Vince, Sam Billings, Rory Burns, Tom Abell, Steven Patterson or Ben Brown?

[Cheib]

warch said:

England don't have a senior player we can parachute into the role of captain.

Burns- too young and new in the team
Roy- yep
Root-poor fielding decisions/badly affected batting
Denly-won't be in the team much longer
Stokes-possible?
Buttler-possible but isn't really justifying his place at the moment
Bairstow-lacks the temperament
Woakes-seems to nice for the role
Broad-outgoing/wrong temperament
Anderson-outgoing/ definitely wrong temperament
Archer-far too young
Leach- too new in the team/probably not alpha enough
Ali-not a fixture in the team/good captain at club level though

There are far too few Test quality players who are eligible to play for England. How does Australia generate so many? I know cricket is more popular in Aus, but you'd assume that the population difference 55million v 25 million would offset that.

Cricket is a national sport in Australia....don’t think it is here. Vast swathes of the population don’t play it and have little interest in it.

ECB undoubtedly prioritised the CWC because we’d never won it and it was at home....and we could see 2 or 3 years ago we had a team that could win it. Australia haven’t won here since 2001 and have won the CWC five times to they prioritised the Ashes....look at the amount of Aussies who were over here playing County cricket preparing for the Ashes. Siddle, Labuschagne etc

I suspect in Australia because of the position the game has there’s a lot more money (relatively) in being in the Aussie Test Side than there is in the England team...so players focus on it more. The test team there has the profile here of our Football team So players focus on it a lot more and the Sheffield Shield has always been a better/higher quality competition than the County Championship.

I suspect now we’ve seen the County model “broken” with The Huindred we will in time see a regional 4 day cricket competition. No fker watches 4 day county cricket and the standard is pretty poor because White Ball is where the money if for Counties and Players.

Oh and what some of th.e counties promote as the pathway for kids is st. My son plays U10 for his County, they play something called Charley cricket which is 12 or 16 overs a side, you get a life in your first 4 balls, you’re out if you don’t score for three consecutive balls and they play on pretty short pitches to speed the cricket up. It’s a bit of a joke ! He also plays area cricket which is old school 35 overs a side....that’s run by coaches who think what the ECB/County is preaching isn’t teaching kids how to build an innings or bowlers how to try and control a game through building pressure.

[Last Visit]

The biggest smile I had yesterday, watching it from the east stand, was when applying some sun cream to have the guy next me mention that he hoped the England batters hadn't bothered wasting time applying any before they came out!

Just getting off the train now at Headingly to watch another day, Western Terrace today so at least they'll be some crowd entertainment to enjoy if the cricket is below par again.

[anonymous-user]

It will be stokes. It will be billed as redemption. He will be ste

[RichB]

Kettmark said:

Predictive text sorry.
Yorkies not tories.

I thought was odd!

[FourWheelDrift]

warch said:

England don't have a senior player we can parachute into the role of captain.

Burns- too young and new in the team
Roy- yep
Root-poor fielding decisions/badly affected batting
Denly-won't be in the team much longer
Stokes-possible?
Buttler-possible but isn't really justifying his place at the moment
Bairstow-lacks the temperament
Woakes-seems to nice for the role
Broad-outgoing/wrong temperament
Anderson-outgoing/ definitely wrong temperament
Archer-far too young
Leach- too new in the team/probably not alpha enough
Ali-not a fixture in the team/good captain at club level though

There are far too few Test quality players who are eligible to play for England. How does Australia generate so many? I know cricket is more popular in Aus, but you'd assume that the population difference 55million v 25 million would offset that.

Would be nice if the England captain had previous captaincy experience at county level first. Rory Burns is the only county captain in the side at Surrey but not exactly lighting up the league. The other recent England pick not in this squad who's a county captain is James Vince at Hampshire.

[sungsam]

As I see it Australia planned carefully before this Ashes series, coaching and tactics. If only to get our "batsmen" out. They have succeeded.

Our coaches have been paid well. It is not clear if they worked on any formula with our players.

The ECB have done some advertising, and pocketed the cash. How are they going to advertise a dead series from now on?

[Black can man]

The Australians have played proper old fashioned test match cricket, whereas England & Root seem to have picked their mates from the successful one day team.


Bairstow shouldn't be keeping wicket for England in test match cricket . You cant drop catches behind the stumps at this level.


Archer as good as he is really has papered over the cracks in this pretty much pathetic display from England.

[suthol]

The lead is getting up there but still over 8 sessions to play so many more needed.

Having said that the ball is still doing a bit so who knows.

[anonymous-user]

I’m glad smith isn’t playing.

[anonymous-user]

Never run on a misfield.

[suthol]

9 down, time to throw the bat a bit

[anonymous-user]

suthol said:

9 down, time to throw the bat a bit

I dunno, England tried that and it didn’t work too well.

[suthol]

El stovey said:

suthol said:

9 down, time to throw the bat a bit

I dunno, England tried that and it didn’t work too well.

Didn't work for Lyon either, now to see what affect your first innings debacle has had