Ashes Cricket 2019
Discussion
thegreenhell said:
The most impressive thing to me is how he generates such speed off such a short run up. That's probably at least partly why he can bowl way more overs than our other seamers, and keep the speed up for longer.
I think this could be a factor in his effectiveness. I imagine somebody like Shoaib Akhtar or Brett Lee charging in all fast and furious immediately makes you more aware of what's about to hit you, compare with Jofra lolloping to the crease almost as if he can't be arsed - i think subconsciously batsmen might not be braced for what's incoming. Same theory with Bumrav. Tony Angelino said:
thegreenhell said:
The most impressive thing to me is how he generates such speed off such a short run up. That's probably at least partly why he can bowl way more overs than our other seamers, and keep the speed up for longer.
I think this could be a factor in his effectiveness. I imagine somebody like Shoaib Akhtar or Brett Lee charging in all fast and furious immediately makes you more aware of what's about to hit you, compare with Jofra lolloping to the crease almost as if he can't be arsed - i think subconsciously batsmen might not be braced for what's incoming. Same theory with Bumrav. How close he gets to the umpire
How high his release is
How difficult it is to pick his bouncer vs a length ball
The combination of how close he is to the umpire and how difficult it is to pick him is what makes him lethal when combined with his pace. If a bowler is bowling wide of the crease it’s easier to take evasive action....much harder when its coming straight at you. It’s almost like he’s the perfect bowler to bowl at Smith because Smith’s technique is all about getting behind the ball. That’s great against 99% of the world’s bowlers when you have the ability to pick length as quickly as Smith does...when you come up against someone who you suddenly can’t pick as welll you’ve got a problem.
I watched a Sky “interview” with Nasser and Smith in the nets the other day. Smith said he gets so far across and effectively gets his head over a fifth stump because he knows if the ball is coming on his eye line he knows can leave it.
Cheib said:
The main factors from what I have read and heard over the last few days
How close he gets to the umpire
How high his release is
How difficult it is to pick his bouncer vs a length ball
The combination of how close he is to the umpire and how difficult it is to pick him is what makes him lethal when combined with his pace. If a bowler is bowling wide of the crease it’s easier to take evasive action....much harder when its coming straight at you. It’s almost like he’s the perfect bowler to bowl at Smith because Smith’s technique is all about getting behind the ball. That’s great against 99% of the world’s bowlers when you have the ability to pick length as quickly as Smith does...when you come up against someone who you suddenly can’t pick as welll you’ve got a problem.
I watched a Sky “interview” with Nasser and Smith in the nets the other day. Smith said he gets so far across and effectively gets his head over a fifth stump because he knows if the ball is coming on his eye line he knows can leave it.
Based on that you would think that going round the wicket to him might be effective, as you take the ball across him. How close he gets to the umpire
How high his release is
How difficult it is to pick his bouncer vs a length ball
The combination of how close he is to the umpire and how difficult it is to pick him is what makes him lethal when combined with his pace. If a bowler is bowling wide of the crease it’s easier to take evasive action....much harder when its coming straight at you. It’s almost like he’s the perfect bowler to bowl at Smith because Smith’s technique is all about getting behind the ball. That’s great against 99% of the world’s bowlers when you have the ability to pick length as quickly as Smith does...when you come up against someone who you suddenly can’t pick as welll you’ve got a problem.
I watched a Sky “interview” with Nasser and Smith in the nets the other day. Smith said he gets so far across and effectively gets his head over a fifth stump because he knows if the ball is coming on his eye line he knows can leave it.
The fact is thought Smith just picks the length quickly, picks the line / knows where his stumps are AND has a great eye to hit anything on his legs.
Just a very tricky player
I was at the test on Saturday, a great days test cricket.
Smith getting pole-axed was frightening,you could tell straightaway it was a real bad one.
It was blindingly obvious when he came back out he wasn’t right, his mannerisms were even more pronounced, his shot selection was bizarre and the manner of his dismissal, then asking for a review whilst walking off was very worrying.
I sent this to my WhatsApp group immediately afterwards..
Quite how he passed any supposed checks in this day and age to get the OK is beyond me.
Smith getting pole-axed was frightening,you could tell straightaway it was a real bad one.
It was blindingly obvious when he came back out he wasn’t right, his mannerisms were even more pronounced, his shot selection was bizarre and the manner of his dismissal, then asking for a review whilst walking off was very worrying.
I sent this to my WhatsApp group immediately afterwards..
Quite how he passed any supposed checks in this day and age to get the OK is beyond me.
lets hope he is ok but not until after the next test 
I think in Archer we've found that attach bowler than can genuinely worry oppo batsmen, harmison on a good day on home soil, Devon (for captain) Malcom when his blood was up but as other posters have said, archers action is so economical and almost languid its more repeatable for longer spells.
when we played the windies 70s 80s marshall, holding, garner you were worried before you got your pads on - we've got someone like that now its another thing the aussies now have to think about that coming into this series they might not have.
its a real bonus for us and i'm looking forward to headingley now. its not the sideways wicket it used to be especially under cloud cover but we have a real attacking option here.
if the aussies lose smith for leeds then I put as slight favouraites to even it up
I think in Archer we've found that attach bowler than can genuinely worry oppo batsmen, harmison on a good day on home soil, Devon (for captain) Malcom when his blood was up but as other posters have said, archers action is so economical and almost languid its more repeatable for longer spells.
when we played the windies 70s 80s marshall, holding, garner you were worried before you got your pads on - we've got someone like that now its another thing the aussies now have to think about that coming into this series they might not have.
its a real bonus for us and i'm looking forward to headingley now. its not the sideways wicket it used to be especially under cloud cover but we have a real attacking option here.
if the aussies lose smith for leeds then I put as slight favouraites to even it up
sjc said:
I was at the test on Saturday, a great days test cricket.
Smith getting pole-axed was frightening,you could tell straightaway it was a real bad one.
It was blindingly obvious when he came back out he wasn’t right, his mannerisms were even more pronounced, his shot selection was bizarre and the manner of his dismissal, then asking for a review whilst walking off was very worrying.
I sent this to my WhatsApp group immediately afterwards..
Quite how he passed any supposed checks in this day and age to get the OK is beyond me.
I couldn't agree more, I was transfixed in front of the telly and amazed that he was allowed out to bat again, I think questions should be asked of the medics and the management. As an Englishman I am pleased he's out of the next test, but as a cricket fan I'm disappointed, but it's the right decision. Smith getting pole-axed was frightening,you could tell straightaway it was a real bad one.
It was blindingly obvious when he came back out he wasn’t right, his mannerisms were even more pronounced, his shot selection was bizarre and the manner of his dismissal, then asking for a review whilst walking off was very worrying.
I sent this to my WhatsApp group immediately afterwards..
Quite how he passed any supposed checks in this day and age to get the OK is beyond me.
Proper test cricket has always been brutal when there are seriously quick bowlers. Who else recalls Brian Close vs West Indies, Wes Hall and Charlie Griffith's in the 60s, Andy Roberts, Michael Holding and Wayne Daniel in the 70s. Plus his close fielding, no helmets then.
We must have been mad. Ok I was just a club player but remember being funeral of a village player killed by a bouncer to the temple.
We must have been mad. Ok I was just a club player but remember being funeral of a village player killed by a bouncer to the temple.
FiF said:
Proper test cricket has always been brutal when there are seriously quick bowlers. Who else recalls Brian Close vs West Indies, Wes Hall and Charlie Griffith's in the 60s, Andy Roberts, Michael Holding and Wayne Daniel in the 70s. Plus his close fielding, no helmets then.
We must have been mad. Ok I was just a club player but remember being funeral of a village player killed by a bouncer to the temple.
Back when men were men, or very stupid. We must have been mad. Ok I was just a club player but remember being funeral of a village player killed by a bouncer to the temple.
FiF said:
Proper test cricket has always been brutal when there are seriously quick bowlers. Who else recalls Brian Close vs West Indies, Wes Hall and Charlie Griffith's in the 60s, Andy Roberts, Michael Holding and Wayne Daniel in the 70s. Plus his close fielding, no helmets then.
We must have been mad. Ok I was just a club player but remember being funeral of a village player killed by a bouncer to the temple.
Certainly was brutal, with no protection.We must have been mad. Ok I was just a club player but remember being funeral of a village player killed by a bouncer to the temple.
I played against John Lever, Neil Foster,Ezra Moseley (broke Goochies hand) etc way back and they were only what would be called Fast Medium.It wasn’t just the pace, it was the late movement.
There’s plenty of stories from batsman about picking bits of plastic out of their gonads in the 70’s/80’s.
Friend of mine made his Essex debut as a 19 year old batting at 7/8 ish against Pat Patterson in the dark... has a massive effect on him.
Was lucky enough to meet my favourite fast bowler of all time on Saturday, was a nice guy to boot.
Edited by sjc on Tuesday 20th August 12:40
FiF said:
Proper test cricket has always been brutal when there are seriously quick bowlers. Who else recalls Brian Close vs West Indies, Wes Hall and Charlie Griffith's in the 60s, Andy Roberts, Michael Holding and Wayne Daniel in the 70s. Plus his close fielding, no helmets then.
We must have been mad. Ok I was just a club player but remember being funeral of a village player killed by a bouncer to the temple.
Wayne Daniel played for my team in the early 90's, not exactly village cricket but only notch up in the local leagues. There used to be a good few big names locally, Martin Crowe & Dean Jones being another couple of stars who found their way down to that level. We must have been mad. Ok I was just a club player but remember being funeral of a village player killed by a bouncer to the temple.
Tony Angelino said:
Wayne Daniel played for my team in the early 90's, not exactly village cricket but only notch up in the local leagues. There used to be a good few big names locally, Martin Crowe & Dean Jones being another couple of stars who found their way down to that level.
The standard of overseas pro's at club cricket level when i started playing in the early 90s was crazy. I remember my first few years of senior cricket as a 13/14/15 yr old playing against the likes of Jimmy Adams, Clayton Lambert, Heath Streak, Franklyn Rose, Nixon Mclean. Then played alongside Shawn Bradstreet, Mark Cosgrove and Steve Magoffin a few years later.Previous to the early 90s had the likes of Courtney Walsh,Ian Bishop,Wasim Akram, Richie Richardson, Damien Martyn, Chris Matthews.
Great times for local cricket.
Edited by pavarotti1980 on Tuesday 20th August 14:45
warch said:
On a related note to all this, I'm surprised bowlers don't get hit by the ball more often than they are. A fast delivery is comparable to a well hit ball in terms of speed and velocity.
Ditto the umpire. There's the one fella who wears some sort of perspex shield on his wrist - you wouldn't blame them for wearing a lid and or box, chest pad etc. pavarotti1980 said:
The standard of overseas pro's at club cricket level when i started playing in the early 90s was crazy. I remember my first few years of senior cricket as a 13/14/15 yr old playing against the likes of Jimmy Adams, Clayton Lambert, Heath Streak, Franklyn Rose, Nixon Mclean. Then played alongside Shawn Bradstreet, Mark Cosgrove and Steve Magoffin a few years later.
Previous to the early 90s had the likes of Courtney Walsh,Ian Bishop,Wasim Akram, Richie Richardson, Damien Martyn, Chris Matthews.
Great times for local cricket.
Yup...Graig McDermott scared the living daylights out of me.Previous to the early 90s had the likes of Courtney Walsh,Ian Bishop,Wasim Akram, Richie Richardson, Damien Martyn, Chris Matthews.
Great times for local cricket.
Edited by pavarotti1980 on Tuesday 20th August 14:45
Archer is on another level though.
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