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Taylor James said:
There's significant number of Welsh, Scottish and Irish who are quite venemously anti-English. They carry massive chips on their shoulders and take great pleasure in any English misfortune in any sport or in just about anything else. Their comments are characterised by bile and bitterness and their so-called banter is laced with spite. They bring race into everything. Every now and again these people surface in sporting discussions which is a shame. They should really be in some dump of a pub in a crappy little town blaming the English for their woes. I don't know any English people who delight in misfortunes that befall the Irish, Scots or Welsh but if I did it wouldn't be for long. They are clearly morons who belong in the same pub as the asinine Celts. It's a bloody game for Christ's sake.
Breaking news, English powers have stolen Welsh resources, flooded Welsh villages and tried to kill the Welsh language.So just like the South African rugby team were a symbol of cultural change in 1995, and that the captaincy of Kolisi is symbolic of the change since, rugby may be just a game, but its impact and it's cultural relevance are far, far wider.
Unless you're English, and then culture goes as far as singing an American Gospel song.
Nemesis often follows hubris. Sometimes it's amusing to watch.
The 1967 England v Scotland soccer international for example. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSfA7xxBM3w
However, England's XV should be very proud of themselves. They did very very well. Resenting their silver medals is silly. Probably something that never would have happened when rugby was amateur.
The 1967 England v Scotland soccer international for example. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSfA7xxBM3w
However, England's XV should be very proud of themselves. They did very very well. Resenting their silver medals is silly. Probably something that never would have happened when rugby was amateur.
Evanivitch said:
Taylor James said:
There's significant number of Welsh, Scottish and Irish who are quite venemously anti-English. They carry massive chips on their shoulders and take great pleasure in any English misfortune in any sport or in just about anything else. Their comments are characterised by bile and bitterness and their so-called banter is laced with spite. They bring race into everything. Every now and again these people surface in sporting discussions which is a shame. They should really be in some dump of a pub in a crappy little town blaming the English for their woes. I don't know any English people who delight in misfortunes that befall the Irish, Scots or Welsh but if I did it wouldn't be for long. They are clearly morons who belong in the same pub as the asinine Celts. It's a bloody game for Christ's sake.
Breaking news, English powers have stolen Welsh resources, flooded Welsh villages and tried to kill the Welsh language.So just like the South African rugby team were a symbol of cultural change in 1995, and that the captaincy of Kolisi is symbolic of the change since, rugby may be just a game, but its impact and it's cultural relevance are far, far wider.
Unless you're English, and then culture goes as far as singing an American Gospel song.
The home nations want to stick it to the dominant neighbour and the ex colonies want to show they’re a new superior breed of people. Pretty much all South African and Australian sporting success was based on wanting to show the success of these new nations free from the old world.
The only exception might be New Zealand who might want to beat Australia more than England.
It’s just the way it is.
warch said:
I dislike nationalism of any stripe, it rarely has any positive aspects and is often founded on historical enmity or misunderstandings about people from other countries. I can't see the logic in disliking someone because of their nationality or because of something that happened long ago in the past.
I'm not Welsh at all as far as I am aware, but I would like Wales to do well and hopefully win a WC one day, they're certainly in the running based on this year's competition.
There's different forms of nationalism though. I'd consider myself a Welsh nationalist but that's a nationalism not based on a dislike for others but rather a confidence in my country. I'm not Welsh at all as far as I am aware, but I would like Wales to do well and hopefully win a WC one day, they're certainly in the running based on this year's competition.
It's outward looking rather than insular. And seeks to build relationships rather than end them.
But this is for another thread, though happy to discuss it with anyone.
Evanivitch said:
Breaking news, English powers have stolen Welsh resources, flooded Welsh villages and tried to kill the Welsh language.
So just like the South African rugby team were a symbol of cultural change in 1995, and that the captaincy of Kolisi is symbolic of the change since, rugby may be just a game, but its impact and it's cultural relevance are far, far wider.
Unless you're English, and then culture goes as far as singing an American Gospel song.
QED.So just like the South African rugby team were a symbol of cultural change in 1995, and that the captaincy of Kolisi is symbolic of the change since, rugby may be just a game, but its impact and it's cultural relevance are far, far wider.
Unless you're English, and then culture goes as far as singing an American Gospel song.
phil_cardiff said:
There's different forms of nationalism though. I'd consider myself a Welsh nationalist but that's a nationalism not based on a dislike for others but rather a confidence in my country.
It's outward looking rather than insular. And seeks to build relationships rather than end them.
But this is for another thread, though happy to discuss it with anyone.
Yes, I can see how you must be quite successful at building relationships It's outward looking rather than insular. And seeks to build relationships rather than end them.
But this is for another thread, though happy to discuss it with anyone.
Evanivitch said:
Breaking news, English powers have stolen Welsh resources, flooded Welsh villages and tried to kill the Welsh language.
So just like the South African rugby team were a symbol of cultural change in 1995, and that the captaincy of Kolisi is symbolic of the change since, rugby may be just a game, but its impact and it's cultural relevance are far, far wider.
Unless you're English, and then culture goes as far as singing an American Gospel song.
Breaking news the Welsh and co are just pissed because England did it to them rather than them doing it to England - the Welsh & Scots were more than happy marching across foreign land and subjugating others. Or is that different?So just like the South African rugby team were a symbol of cultural change in 1995, and that the captaincy of Kolisi is symbolic of the change since, rugby may be just a game, but its impact and it's cultural relevance are far, far wider.
Unless you're English, and then culture goes as far as singing an American Gospel song.
irocfan said:
Evanivitch said:
Breaking news, English powers have stolen Welsh resources, flooded Welsh villages and tried to kill the Welsh language.
So just like the South African rugby team were a symbol of cultural change in 1995, and that the captaincy of Kolisi is symbolic of the change since, rugby may be just a game, but its impact and it's cultural relevance are far, far wider.
Unless you're English, and then culture goes as far as singing an American Gospel song.
Breaking news the Welsh and co are just pissed because England did it to them rather than them doing it to England - the Welsh & Scots were more than happy marching across foreign land and subjugating others. Or is that different?So just like the South African rugby team were a symbol of cultural change in 1995, and that the captaincy of Kolisi is symbolic of the change since, rugby may be just a game, but its impact and it's cultural relevance are far, far wider.
Unless you're English, and then culture goes as far as singing an American Gospel song.
Come the Lions, everyone will get together sportingly, but don't ever think you'll get many Welsh people supporting an English team in a final.
As an aside, I hope you've all seen the video of Bonymaen Rugby Club (AWJ's own) celebrating the Boks victory.
Video not suitable for snowflakes.
https://youtu.be/BCFcCtvuMJg
Edited by Evanivitch on Sunday 3rd November 17:17
All this subjugation nonsense is beside the point. I will almost always support the home team in a given competition, rugby, football, cricket, whatever. This in rugby is usually England, but might conceivably be Wales, Ireland or rather improbably Scotland. Yesterday however, amid all the “we already won the Final against the All Blacks” and “its not a question of whether we win, but by how much” hootenanny, I supported RSA because a win was obviously going to make a much bigger difference to South Africa than it ever was to England.
It was a hard fought match, RSA were magnificent and deserved to win.
Then, to my astonishment, England demonstrated why they lost and why they deserved to lose. They sullenly went up for their runners up medals. Itoje refused to have it hung over his head, clearly embarrassing Bill Beaumont. The rest of them took them straight back off and stuck them in their pockets. Eddie Jones strolled up past the Crown Prince of Japan with his shirt top button undone and his tie loose, then stuck his hands in his pocket and sidled away, as if the whole thing was a matter of minor importance. Do you think the All Blacks would have done that to Princess Anne? Or can you imagine how Britain would have reacted if they had? It was about the most unsportsmanlike display of disrespect to World Rugby, to the host nation, and to their fellow competitors, that one could imagine. And it illustrates the problem the England team sometimes has, which is an excessive sense of its own importance. They arrived thinking that the title was theirs for the lifting, and they left wondering how they had somehow been swindled out of it.
I need hardly say that if Scotland had ever got to the point of receiving those silver medals we would have been weeping tears of joy In the streets and they would have been national heroes, but, that remains rather unlikely. It is however hard to imagine Scotland responding by putting on a display of petulance as England did yesterday.
Today most of the news in the British papers has been about what England got wrong, how they had a bad day, how they let South Africa beat them. They didn’t. They met a better, stronger, more determined and better disciplined team who had more to play for than their own egos, and they got smashed. Not beaten, smashed.
It was a hard fought match, RSA were magnificent and deserved to win.
Then, to my astonishment, England demonstrated why they lost and why they deserved to lose. They sullenly went up for their runners up medals. Itoje refused to have it hung over his head, clearly embarrassing Bill Beaumont. The rest of them took them straight back off and stuck them in their pockets. Eddie Jones strolled up past the Crown Prince of Japan with his shirt top button undone and his tie loose, then stuck his hands in his pocket and sidled away, as if the whole thing was a matter of minor importance. Do you think the All Blacks would have done that to Princess Anne? Or can you imagine how Britain would have reacted if they had? It was about the most unsportsmanlike display of disrespect to World Rugby, to the host nation, and to their fellow competitors, that one could imagine. And it illustrates the problem the England team sometimes has, which is an excessive sense of its own importance. They arrived thinking that the title was theirs for the lifting, and they left wondering how they had somehow been swindled out of it.
I need hardly say that if Scotland had ever got to the point of receiving those silver medals we would have been weeping tears of joy In the streets and they would have been national heroes, but, that remains rather unlikely. It is however hard to imagine Scotland responding by putting on a display of petulance as England did yesterday.
Today most of the news in the British papers has been about what England got wrong, how they had a bad day, how they let South Africa beat them. They didn’t. They met a better, stronger, more determined and better disciplined team who had more to play for than their own egos, and they got smashed. Not beaten, smashed.
Edited by cardigankid on Sunday 3rd November 20:43
yonex said:
phil_cardiff said:
There's different forms of nationalism though. I'd consider myself a Welsh nationalist but that's a nationalism not based on a dislike for others but rather a confidence in my country.
It's outward looking rather than insular. And seeks to build relationships rather than end them.
But this is for another thread, though happy to discuss it with anyone.
Yes, I can see how you must be quite successful at building relationships It's outward looking rather than insular. And seeks to build relationships rather than end them.
But this is for another thread, though happy to discuss it with anyone.
Wow.
I’m surprised at some comments here it’s pretty poor form.
I personally love and relish my Wales beating england - why? Well in theory they should be the best team in the world bar none. The small nations like Wales should rarely if ever best England. Instead it’s close so close for over a century of playing. It’s fun having joyful banter with countless English fans
The nonsense about going back to flooding villages for the benefit of Birmingham’s water supply need etc FFS you sound like an offspring of Alex Salmond and Sturgeon.
I’m surprised at some comments here it’s pretty poor form.
I personally love and relish my Wales beating england - why? Well in theory they should be the best team in the world bar none. The small nations like Wales should rarely if ever best England. Instead it’s close so close for over a century of playing. It’s fun having joyful banter with countless English fans
The nonsense about going back to flooding villages for the benefit of Birmingham’s water supply need etc FFS you sound like an offspring of Alex Salmond and Sturgeon.
Welshbeef said:
Wow.
I’m surprised at some comments here it’s pretty poor form.
I personally love and relish my Wales beating england - why? Well in theory they should be the best team in the world bar none. The small nations like Wales should rarely if ever best England. Instead it’s close so close for over a century of playing. It’s fun having joyful banter with countless English fans
The nonsense about going back to flooding villages for the benefit of Birmingham’s water supply need etc FFS you sound like an offspring of Alex Salmond and Sturgeon.
And a racist by inference. We need to remember there is still mourning going on here that the rest of us have already competed.I’m surprised at some comments here it’s pretty poor form.
I personally love and relish my Wales beating england - why? Well in theory they should be the best team in the world bar none. The small nations like Wales should rarely if ever best England. Instead it’s close so close for over a century of playing. It’s fun having joyful banter with countless English fans
The nonsense about going back to flooding villages for the benefit of Birmingham’s water supply need etc FFS you sound like an offspring of Alex Salmond and Sturgeon.
What amuses me is that it seems ok to be partisan about the North and South Hemispheres but not ok locally ....... where should the line be drawn? 
Edited to add: It's been years since I used to post in Rugby threads and I must say it is by far a much 'nicer' place now - anybody else remember Stimmers
Edited to add: It's been years since I used to post in Rugby threads and I must say it is by far a much 'nicer' place now - anybody else remember Stimmers
Edited by dickymint on Sunday 3rd November 22:36
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