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Meh. The RWC 2019 is all in the past now.
Normal service was resumed this morning when I watched Ospreys get unpicked by Connacht on S4C in the Pro14 match from yesterday.
My goodness me. Any criticism of the passing, tackling, scrummaging, etc of the world cup teams was nitpicking by comparison. I know it was wet, but I've not seen so much poor passing and appalling scrummaging in an age, nor so many lineouts being won against the throw.
Normal service was resumed this morning when I watched Ospreys get unpicked by Connacht on S4C in the Pro14 match from yesterday.
My goodness me. Any criticism of the passing, tackling, scrummaging, etc of the world cup teams was nitpicking by comparison. I know it was wet, but I've not seen so much poor passing and appalling scrummaging in an age, nor so many lineouts being won against the throw.
Stella Tortoise said:
dickymint said:
What amuses me is that it seems ok to be partisan about the North and South Hemispheres but not ok locally ....... where should the line be drawn? 
Offa's Dyke? 
dickymint said:
What amuses me is that it seems ok to be partisan about the North and South Hemispheres but not ok locally ....... where should the line be drawn?
Edited to add: It's been years since I used to post in Rugby threads and I must say it is by far a much 'nicer' place now - anybody else remember Stimmers
I tend to support the underdog in any game where England aren't playing. I am happy to admire any team though, be it New Zealand for their cohesive passing play, or Scotland when they're on it, or Wales or Ireland for their sheer determination and refusal to give up. One of the most enjoyable series I watched was England touring Argentina during the 2017 Lions tour, fantastic play and enthusiasm from the home side there.Edited to add: It's been years since I used to post in Rugby threads and I must say it is by far a much 'nicer' place now - anybody else remember Stimmers
Edited by dickymint on Sunday 3rd November 22:36
I dislike this stupid hemisphere thing, our manager and several of our players are SH (as is my wife incidentally).
Congrats to RSA who were simply better in all areas and won the game with their heads. The age -old criticism of the Jones-era England came back to haunt them - when the game plan did not work they could not change it up on-field. Not helped by some basic mistakes along the way.
When Billy V is being hammered backwards in the tackle you know hitting hard through the phases is not going to work. The kicking game from Youngs was poor as usual, they should have peppered Kolbe with up and unders - him and May was a mis-match.
I think SA also played a bit more expansively than expected at times which threw England.
Tough to lose Sinckler so early on and one wonders how significant the impact was of a) losing him in general; and b) the long stoppage just as the game had got going.
As a Welshman I took no pleasure from seeing England beaten but ultimately the better team won.
Great tournament, great host-nation, bring on France 2023!
When Billy V is being hammered backwards in the tackle you know hitting hard through the phases is not going to work. The kicking game from Youngs was poor as usual, they should have peppered Kolbe with up and unders - him and May was a mis-match.
I think SA also played a bit more expansively than expected at times which threw England.
Tough to lose Sinckler so early on and one wonders how significant the impact was of a) losing him in general; and b) the long stoppage just as the game had got going.
As a Welshman I took no pleasure from seeing England beaten but ultimately the better team won.
Great tournament, great host-nation, bring on France 2023!
Legend83 said:
Congrats to RSA who were simply better in all areas and won the game with their heads. The age -old criticism of the Jones-era England came back to haunt them - when the game plan did not work they could not change it up on-field. Not helped by some basic mistakes along the way.
When Billy V is being hammered backwards in the tackle you know hitting hard through the phases is not going to work. The kicking game from Youngs was poor as usual, they should have peppered Kolbe with up and unders - him and May was a mis-match.
I think SA also played a bit more expansively than expected at times which threw England.
Tough to lose Sinckler so early on and one wonders how significant the impact was of a) losing him in general; and b) the long stoppage just as the game had got going.
As a Welshman I took no pleasure from seeing England beaten but ultimately the better team won.
Great tournament, great host-nation, bring on France 2023!
Agreed. On the day, SA played the better rugby.When Billy V is being hammered backwards in the tackle you know hitting hard through the phases is not going to work. The kicking game from Youngs was poor as usual, they should have peppered Kolbe with up and unders - him and May was a mis-match.
I think SA also played a bit more expansively than expected at times which threw England.
Tough to lose Sinckler so early on and one wonders how significant the impact was of a) losing him in general; and b) the long stoppage just as the game had got going.
As a Welshman I took no pleasure from seeing England beaten but ultimately the better team won.
Great tournament, great host-nation, bring on France 2023!
The England side is young and, one might think, will only improve. Glad Jones is to remain.
I think the play interruption with Sinckler's injury would have hurt both teams equally. Given England's strength in depth, we should not have suffered from any single loss. The SA scrum would have dominated whomever was in our front 5.
I thing Japan put on a great show. I hope rugby takes off in their country after this. They will be a great addition to the top teams.
Taylor James said:
T5SOR said:
Rh14n said:
julianm said:
Agreed. I genuinely asked the question why as I found it hard to believe that they would really behave in such an arrogant and disrespectful way like a bunch of petulant brats.
I wouldn't have blamed him if he had chucked the medal in the crowd.
Nothing to do with disrespect. He will have been gutted. Disrespect would be bad mouthing SA which I'm sure he hasn't done,
Cheslin Kolbe is pretty useful. Who said SA were just big lumps in the forwards?
https://youtu.be/d44ciHu4q6w
https://youtu.be/d44ciHu4q6w
prand said:
Cheslin Kolbe is pretty useful. Who said SA were just big lumps in the forwards?
https://youtu.be/d44ciHu4q6w
another Jason Robinson - just like a greased eelhttps://youtu.be/d44ciHu4q6w
Kermit power said:
Taylor James said:
T5SOR said:
Rh14n said:
julianm said:
Agreed. I genuinely asked the question why as I found it hard to believe that they would really behave in such an arrogant and disrespectful way like a bunch of petulant brats.I wouldn't have blamed him if he had chucked the medal in the crowd.
Nothing to do with disrespect. He will have been gutted. Disrespect would be bad mouthing SA which I'm sure he hasn't done,
XCP said:
and so it goes on.... surely time to close the thread.
Agree. I’ll only add this. Watch the Olympics, world champs, choose your sport. More often than not the podiums look the same. Gold medalist looks pleased. Bronze medalist looks ecstatic. Silver medalist looks the least happy of the lot.
The guy in third is thinking about having dodged the worst position of all: fourth. The winner is happy to have won. But the silver medalist focuses on what they missed: the gold, and not what they have.
Perfectly normal reaction for an elite sportsperson.
cardigankid said:
. You need to forget the empire. If it was up to me you would be banned from the next World Cup for that display.
It wasn't the English Empire though was it, it was the British Empire, England, Scotland, Ireland and Wales. I know a lot of Welsh people like to disassociate themselves from the empire but they were as complicit in its dealings as anyone else.For example, if you've ever being to Brecon you will have seen a plaque memorialising
The Hannibal was a slave ship and Phillips was one of the more prolific slave traders of his era.
BTW what do Wales do with their runners up medals?
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