RWC 2019

[Zirconia]

snigger.
Have one back.

[irocfan]

the tribester said:

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cardigankid said:

It’s the reaction of an arrogant bunch of bds who think the world owes them a living because they are English. It’s no way to behave at an international tournament. Snooze away if you like. It’s why you are a load of internationally detested tossers. You need to forget the empire. If it was up to me you would be banned from the next World Cup for that display.

Perhaps they should send you a silver medal. It'd clearly mean more to you to lose a week later.

[ntiz]

I really don’t get the big deal about the medals. They are ultra competitive sport men who just had there chance and lost. They will probably not get another chance to win the World Cup.

I would be pretty pissed off and dejected too. Second place medals don’t mean anything in rugby just friendly reminder of that time you cane close but not close enough.

[irocfan]

ntiz said:

I really don’t get the big deal about the medals. They are ultra competitive sport men who just had there chance and lost. They will probably not get another chance to win the World Cup.

I would be pretty pissed off and dejected too. Second place medals don’t mean anything in rugby just friendly reminder of that time you cane close but not close enough.

I'd disagree with you on both counts. Most of the team will still be around to get another crack in 4 years.

WRT the silver medals I do wonder if the being pissed off bit is not the fact that they came 2nd (someone has to) but the fact that they know they could have played better - they weren't even at the races. How much of that is that SA didn't let us play vs our not turning up is the question

[Kermit power]

cardigankid said:

Kermit power said:

Taylor James said:

T5SOR said:

Rh14n said:

julianm said:

Beaumont not permitted to put the medal around his neck.
I suppose he might get a couple more chances for a winners medal but this is disrepectful to the tournament.
It seems that most followed suit.
Maybe Farrell suggested it when they had their post-match cuddle?

Agreed. I genuinely asked the question why as I found it hard to believe that they would really behave in such an arrogant and disrespectful way like a bunch of petulant brats.

I don't think it is disrespectful at all. It’s a losers medal and England wanted to win. Why parade you have lost?

Itoje had a great tournament and was probably the best England player today.

I wouldn't have blamed him if he had chucked the medal in the crowd.

Nothing to do with disrespect. He will have been gutted. Disrespect would be bad mouthing SA which I'm sure he hasn't done,

On a wider point, I've noticed that if you watch the MOTM awards after televised Prem or 6 Nations games, the players almost always either just take them in hand or take them straight off from round their neck in the actual interview. For some reason, they just don't seem to like them?

It’s not a losers medal it’s the runners up medal in the worlds top rugby competition. Do they think that they are bigger than the competition? Being gutted is one thing. Carrying on in that childish arrogant manner just confirms why they are not fit to win and reflect little credit on their country. If anyone thinks that kind of behaviour is acceptable I think they are part of the problem.

When they win the MOTM award, they've almost always won the bloody game, but they still seem to hate the medals! I'm just interested as to why?

I do still think that the biggest part of the problem is World Rugby giving out the medals immediately after the game has finished. Have a medal ceremony a few hours later as they do in the Olympics and the losers have at least had a bit of time to come to terms with the loss. Take them straight off the pitch after losing the biggest match in their lives and make them go through that process and I think it's absurd to think that anyone other than a complete underdog who is overjoyed just to have made the final in the first place to be anything other than utterly devastated.

It's very, very easy for armchair spectators or even amateur players to take the holier than thou approach to this sort of situation, but I don't believe that any of us would behave any differently.

Quite apart from anything else, set aside the whole "it's only a game, respect the opposition/fans/officials etc" and remember this... Each of the England players lost an £82k win bonus on Saturday. I don't know about you, but even with PH average alleged salaries, I don't think many people on here could afford to wave goodbye to that sort of money without it stinging just a little bit...

[ntiz]

irocfan said:

ntiz said:

I really don’t get the big deal about the medals. They are ultra competitive sport men who just had there chance and lost. They will probably not get another chance to win the World Cup.

I would be pretty pissed off and dejected too. Second place medals don’t mean anything in rugby just friendly reminder of that time you cane close but not close enough.

I'd disagree with you on both counts. Most of the team will still be around to get another crack in 4 years.

WRT the silver medals I do wonder if the being pissed off bit is not the fact that they came 2nd (someone has to) but the fact that they know they could have played better - they weren't even at the races. How much of that is that SA didn't let us play vs our not turning up is the question

Yes another crack at it, but there is absolutely no guarantee they will get to another final. In all likeness that was probably it. Of course I would love to be proved wrong.

You are probably right furious with themselves for way played as well.

As has been mentioned perhaps 30 mins in the changing room after the game might get you a much more composed and respectful team on the stage.

I competed in my chosen sport at national and European level. My Dad learnt pretty quickly to leave me an hour before talking about it if I crashed out because I would just be unreasonably aggressive about anything. He has 500 quid helmet with big crack in it from when I crashed out of the lead at a big race in France.

I imagine they were in a whole other league of disappointment and anger with themselves. After the final it’s a bit unfair to judge there response so soon after the event.

[Adam B]

BlackWidow13 said:

I’ll only add this. Watch the Olympics, world champs, choose your sport. More often than not the podiums look the same. Gold medalist looks pleased. Bronze medalist looks ecstatic. Silver medalist looks the least happy of the lot.

The guy in third is thinking about having dodged the worst position of all: fourth. The winner is happy to have won. But the silver medalist focuses on what they missed: the gold, and not what they have.

Perfectly normal reaction for an elite sportsperson.

And with the Olympics you might have come 8th or 12th, so 2nd or 3rd might feel quite good.

At the WC final the worst you can be is 2nd, so getting 2nd won't feel great

[XCP]

And now Scotland have been fined £70K for their shenanigans in Japan.

[GravelBen]

Adam B said:

And with the Olympics you might have come 8th or 12th, so 2nd or 3rd might feel quite good.

At the WC final the worst you can be is 2nd, so getting 2nd won't feel great

Surely England should be ecstatic with second at the WC after failing to even make the playoffs last time?

[warch]

2nd at the WC is acceptable imo. We were hampered at the 2015 WC by the group of death and our inability to negotiate our way out of it. A second WC would be nice to go with our cricket WC we won this year, but we still did ok, finishing second only to a very competent South African side.

[XCP]

warch said:

2nd at the WC is acceptable imo. We were hampered at the 2015 WC by the group of death and our inability to negotiate our way out of it. A second WC would be nice to go with our cricket WC we won this year, but we still did ok, finishing second only to a very competent South African side.

My thoughts too. Did better than I thought we would.

[spikeyhead]

GravelBen said:

Surely England should be ecstatic with second at the WC after failing to even make the playoffs last time?

Offered 2nd before the tournament and we'd have bitten your arm off....
then after the semi-final win, nothing, but nothing could prevent us from winning, except we half didn't turn up, and the half that did turn up was nervous from the off.

We've a lot to be proud of, far far better than 2015 and a solid foundation to build on for 2023.

[The Mad Monk]

XCP said:

And now Scotland have been fined £70K for their shenanigans in Japan.

It's not going away.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/50338259

[irocfan]

So once again it seems England bashing is fashionable. In all the hoohaa about the medals one would think it's never happened before....

https://www.rugbypass.com/news/go-easy-on-the-engl...

[DocJock]

The Mad Monk said:

XCP said:

And now Scotland have been fined £70K for their shenanigans in Japan.

It's not going away.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/50338259

It is a straightforward matter of respect for the governing body.

If the SRU do not pay the fine and apologise as told, they should be excluded from the next RWC.

[dickymint]

DocJock said:

The Mad Monk said:

XCP said:

And now Scotland have been fined £70K for their shenanigans in Japan.

It's not going away.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/50338259

It is a straightforward matter of respect for the governing body.

If the SRU do not pay the fine and apologise as told, they should be excluded from the next RWC.

Along with England

Anyway fk the governing body it’s the Host Nation that should be respected.

[XCP]

'fk the governing body'.

Your talents are wasted in anything other than a career in the diplomatic service.