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kiethton said:
milkround said:
Anyone hot on hcap rules?
I play at a pretty old fashioned club. And recently won a comp in my division.
After it was cut to by best score ever which I was delighted with. Let’s say I was 25 over my playing cap was now 25.
But I’ve since been chopped another 4 shots. Meaning my hcap is now 4 shots lower than my best ever score. And no one has told me why or what has happened. I certainly wasn’t informed they were going to change it - and I’ve submitted no more cards.
I think the club doesn’t like new golfers winning. In fact they have even changed the rules after a comp to stop me winning once. But only changed the rules for me. The higher caps who are mates with the committee didn’t have their caps reduced to a set limit for the comp. I let that go but feel like they are victimising me a bit now.
Did you have any blow-up holes? Triples or more? - my club round them down to a double at worst. So if I shot a +10 round with 2 quad bogeys I'd get a +6 round for handicap purposes. I play at a pretty old fashioned club. And recently won a comp in my division.
After it was cut to by best score ever which I was delighted with. Let’s say I was 25 over my playing cap was now 25.
But I’ve since been chopped another 4 shots. Meaning my hcap is now 4 shots lower than my best ever score. And no one has told me why or what has happened. I certainly wasn’t informed they were going to change it - and I’ve submitted no more cards.
I think the club doesn’t like new golfers winning. In fact they have even changed the rules after a comp to stop me winning once. But only changed the rules for me. The higher caps who are mates with the committee didn’t have their caps reduced to a set limit for the comp. I let that go but feel like they are victimising me a bit now.
There is also standard scratch to consider - if it's 3 over for the day, you've in effect shot 3 under that handicap too.
CustardOnChips said:
I thought standard scratch wasn't used anymore. Isn't it replaced with your course HC?
Standard scratch is effectively the course rating now.How hard the course (the length of the holes mainly) is.
Par 70 can be course rating 69.6 for example.
CSS was an adjustment for the scores on the day and this has been replaced by a PCC (playing conditions something) which can go down one or up 3 just like CSS.
So that 69.6 can be 68.6 or 72.6 if it’s easy or hard judged by scoring.
I think
kiethton said:
Did you have any blow-up holes? Triples or more? - my club round them down to a double at worst. So if I shot a +10 round with 2 quad bogeys I'd get a +6 round for handicap purposes.
There is also standard scratch to consider - if it's 3 over for the day, you've in effect shot 3 under that handicap too.
No huge blow up holes. Triple was the worst. There is also standard scratch to consider - if it's 3 over for the day, you've in effect shot 3 under that handicap too.
I’m still a high handicapper and I’ve probably won more than is considered ‘propper’ so they are trying to stop me competing.
I asked and was told they did an exceptional score reduction. So I’ve asked for the appeals prodedure and am willing to take this all the way to my national union level.
Tbh it’s not about the hcap as much as how I’ve been treated generally. Imagine walking away feeling like you won... only for the next day to see your score there and someone else listed as the winner. And then been told they had set a max cap for you of 18 whilst their mates got the full allowance above 18. Embarrassed and angry doesn’t cover it.
I don’t care about prize money or my name in golf letters on an old bit of wood. I just want to improve and feel like I’m in with a chance. And I don’t want to feel like I’m being cheated.
Maybe a discretionary cut?
It's been years since I had a handicap but at my previous club the "Old Boys" committee met once a month and reviewed all the comps trying to smooth out irregularities such as fluke stableford points scores or a member shooting 10 under their stroke handicap etc or other such madness.
Then they'd get the friggin' scissors out and chop chop chop!! You could appeal, but that was pointless if you weren't in the "Old Boys" bridge foursome or other such impossible qualification
Like I said, this was 10-15 years ago. I imagine such practices are long gone by now....
It's been years since I had a handicap but at my previous club the "Old Boys" committee met once a month and reviewed all the comps trying to smooth out irregularities such as fluke stableford points scores or a member shooting 10 under their stroke handicap etc or other such madness.
Then they'd get the friggin' scissors out and chop chop chop!! You could appeal, but that was pointless if you weren't in the "Old Boys" bridge foursome or other such impossible qualification
Like I said, this was 10-15 years ago. I imagine such practices are long gone by now....
I’d encourage you to look it the other way around. Your handicap is how good you are, not whether you won the May Medal on count-back against a wily old boy off 24. The lower the better.
Worrying about a handicap that makes it difficult for you to win is missing the point, IMO.
Handicap competitions are usually won by people playing off unrealistic handicaps, which is why there’s not much glory in them. Having a lower handicap than last month is the real measure of your progress.
Worrying about a handicap that makes it difficult for you to win is missing the point, IMO.
Handicap competitions are usually won by people playing off unrealistic handicaps, which is why there’s not much glory in them. Having a lower handicap than last month is the real measure of your progress.
SpeckledJim said:
Worrying about a handicap that makes it difficult for you to win is missing the point, IMO.
Im with you here.Thing is when players get to <5 im finding that you get in more bigger comps on ballots. Club champs, county champs, mid ams, I go on.
I think they should have a competition handicap and a general play hcp myself for these types of comps.
Had my first lesson for about 20 years this afternoon.
Thankfully I wasn't advised to find a different hobby
, but the pro did say there were a few things to work on. Today we just worked on improving my grip as it was a bit weak,and getting my downswing a bit more on plane as that was very steep.
The stronger grip, although now neutral felt really strange, like I had my hand under the grip. That said, the results during the lesson were very good. Launch conditions were much better and a lot more consistent once I got going.
Now I have to spend some time at the range practicing. Not something I particularly enjoy.
Thankfully I wasn't advised to find a different hobby
, but the pro did say there were a few things to work on. Today we just worked on improving my grip as it was a bit weak,and getting my downswing a bit more on plane as that was very steep.The stronger grip, although now neutral felt really strange, like I had my hand under the grip. That said, the results during the lesson were very good. Launch conditions were much better and a lot more consistent once I got going.
Now I have to spend some time at the range practicing. Not something I particularly enjoy.
milkround said:
Anyone hot on hcap rules?
I play at a pretty old fashioned club. And recently won a comp in my division.
After it was cut to by best score ever which I was delighted with. Let’s say I was 25 over my playing cap was now 25.
But I’ve since been chopped another 4 shots. Meaning my hcap is now 4 shots lower than my best ever score. And no one has told me why or what has happened. I certainly wasn’t informed they were going to change it - and I’ve submitted no more cards.
I think the club doesn’t like new golfers winning. In fact they have even changed the rules after a comp to stop me winning once. But only changed the rules for me. The higher caps who are mates with the committee didn’t have their caps reduced to a set limit for the comp. I let that go but feel like they are victimising me a bit now.
Ignore the old fashioned club part, but most long term members don't like new members winning especially when new members are improving either by getting to know the course and/or just improving their golf because they are now playing regularly rather than 3 times a year.I play at a pretty old fashioned club. And recently won a comp in my division.
After it was cut to by best score ever which I was delighted with. Let’s say I was 25 over my playing cap was now 25.
But I’ve since been chopped another 4 shots. Meaning my hcap is now 4 shots lower than my best ever score. And no one has told me why or what has happened. I certainly wasn’t informed they were going to change it - and I’ve submitted no more cards.
I think the club doesn’t like new golfers winning. In fact they have even changed the rules after a comp to stop me winning once. But only changed the rules for me. The higher caps who are mates with the committee didn’t have their caps reduced to a set limit for the comp. I let that go but feel like they are victimising me a bit now.
Look at it this from the other side, say you have been at the club for 4 years and got your handicap down to 10. How would you feel about a new member of a few months shooting 46 points? That would mean you as a 10 handicapper would have to shoot level par and then you may not even get the win because of count back. Long term members have no problem pitting their golf and handicap against others that have a fair handicap from a decent period of time playing.
Clubs have had a lot of new members over the last 12 months and I suspect some are getting grumbles from the long term members about the new members always winning the comps. Especially when they are regularly being won with scores that are on the extreme end (eg 46 points)
Ashfordian said:
milkround said:
Anyone hot on hcap rules?
I play at a pretty old fashioned club. And recently won a comp in my division.
After it was cut to by best score ever which I was delighted with. Let’s say I was 25 over my playing cap was now 25.
But I’ve since been chopped another 4 shots. Meaning my hcap is now 4 shots lower than my best ever score. And no one has told me why or what has happened. I certainly wasn’t informed they were going to change it - and I’ve submitted no more cards.
I think the club doesn’t like new golfers winning. In fact they have even changed the rules after a comp to stop me winning once. But only changed the rules for me. The higher caps who are mates with the committee didn’t have their caps reduced to a set limit for the comp. I let that go but feel like they are victimising me a bit now.
Ignore the old fashioned club part, but most long term members don't like new members winning especially when new members are improving either by getting to know the course and/or just improving their golf because they are now playing regularly rather than 3 times a year.I play at a pretty old fashioned club. And recently won a comp in my division.
After it was cut to by best score ever which I was delighted with. Let’s say I was 25 over my playing cap was now 25.
But I’ve since been chopped another 4 shots. Meaning my hcap is now 4 shots lower than my best ever score. And no one has told me why or what has happened. I certainly wasn’t informed they were going to change it - and I’ve submitted no more cards.
I think the club doesn’t like new golfers winning. In fact they have even changed the rules after a comp to stop me winning once. But only changed the rules for me. The higher caps who are mates with the committee didn’t have their caps reduced to a set limit for the comp. I let that go but feel like they are victimising me a bit now.
Look at it this from the other side, say you have been at the club for 4 years and got your handicap down to 10. How would you feel about a new member of a few months shooting 46 points? That would mean you as a 10 handicapper would have to shoot level par and then you may not even get the win because of count back. Long term members have no problem pitting their golf and handicap against others that have a fair handicap from a decent period of time playing.
Clubs have had a lot of new members over the last 12 months and I suspect some are getting grumbles from the long term members about the new members always winning the comps. Especially when they are regularly being won with scores that are on the extreme end (eg 46 points)
We had a lad win a comp of 38. His index went up to 40 the following week. Then he shot 44 points finishing 12 points clear of second place in awful conditions. It certainly raised a few eyebrows.
My old club had 3 divisions for the weekly comps, but had a handicap limit of 18 for the majors. You could play in them if you had a higher handicap, but would only ge 18 shots.
CustardOnChips said:
Had my first lesson for about 20 years this afternoon.
Thankfully I wasn't advised to find a different hobby, but the pro did say there were a few things to work on. Today we just worked on improving my grip as it was a bit weak,and getting my downswing a bit more on plane as that was very steep.
The stronger grip, although now neutral felt really strange, like I had my hand under the grip. That said, the results during the lesson were very good. Launch conditions were much better and a lot more consistent once I got going.
Now I have to spend some time at the range practicing. Not something I particularly enjoy.
If it doesn’t feel weird for a wee while, you’ve not changed anything Thankfully I wasn't advised to find a different hobby
, but the pro did say there were a few things to work on. Today we just worked on improving my grip as it was a bit weak,and getting my downswing a bit more on plane as that was very steep.The stronger grip, although now neutral felt really strange, like I had my hand under the grip. That said, the results during the lesson were very good. Launch conditions were much better and a lot more consistent once I got going.
Now I have to spend some time at the range practicing. Not something I particularly enjoy.
My understanding is that the new WHS has a structure to what makes up your handicap and what prompts a change up or down, based on your results.
The goal being a more consistent outcome across the board that isn’t at the discretion of a committee.
It’s not the case that an old fashioned golf club can apply their own methods.
Or am I missing something?
The goal being a more consistent outcome across the board that isn’t at the discretion of a committee.
It’s not the case that an old fashioned golf club can apply their own methods.
Or am I missing something?
Golf was easy. Then golf was hard. 
Had a late tee time and had already been in the sun too long. Had a bit of a thrash on the range before to work on the swing changes and hit it quite well.
The bogie on 3 was annoying, one of those that lips out and you and your playing partner look at each other thinking how the f
k did that stay out.
Then hole 8 happened. Lost a ball in the rough from the tee shot. Hit a slight fade. Saw it land and roll into the rough. Never found it.
As there was no one behind I went back and hit another.
Then my electric trolley snapped. At this point I was annoyed and all the energy just drained out of me.
From there it was a battle and when you are down, the golfing gods like to gibe you a good kicking :laigh:
Had a late tee time and had already been in the sun too long. Had a bit of a thrash on the range before to work on the swing changes and hit it quite well.
The bogie on 3 was annoying, one of those that lips out and you and your playing partner look at each other thinking how the f
k did that stay out. Then hole 8 happened. Lost a ball in the rough from the tee shot. Hit a slight fade. Saw it land and roll into the rough. Never found it.
As there was no one behind I went back and hit another.
Then my electric trolley snapped. At this point I was annoyed and all the energy just drained out of me.
From there it was a battle and when you are down, the golfing gods like to gibe you a good kicking :laigh:
abzmike said:
simoid said:
Poor Jon Rahm - just birdied 6 of the back 9 to go 6 shots clear and got informed immediately after his round he’d tested positive for covid.
Oh boy..from hole in one and 6 shot lead to that In the space of 30 mins.
Haven't read all of the last few pages but seen a lot of discussion on handicaps and how they fluctuate.
Just in case anyone is not aware, here is how they calculate your handicap depending on your number of rounds played:
https://dfdghbz6643ia.cloudfront.net/2021/04/WHSch...
So you will see some big fluctuations until you get more rounds in.
Just in case anyone is not aware, here is how they calculate your handicap depending on your number of rounds played:
https://dfdghbz6643ia.cloudfront.net/2021/04/WHSch...
So you will see some big fluctuations until you get more rounds in.
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