six nations 2021

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Jasey_

4,893 posts

179 months

Sunday 28th March 2021
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Make it 10 points for a penalty kick.

Penalties are conceded.

Added bonus is it stops 4 or 5 minutes of advantage play coming to nothing or yellow or red cards.

XCP

16,932 posts

229 months

Sunday 28th March 2021
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Evanivitch said:
DocJock said:
Reintroduce proper competition at rucks. This will draw in some of the defenders strung out across the pitch, creating space.
There still is, the art of the jackal is still a huge part of the game. But it is much more smart jackal work than either dangerous contact or negative ball slowing. I think that's a great part of the game to watch (and one I enjoy in matches I play).
Reintroduce rucks would be a start. One used to be penalised or stamped on if one used ones hands.

Evanivitch

20,122 posts

123 months

Sunday 28th March 2021
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XCP said:
Evanivitch said:
DocJock said:
Reintroduce proper competition at rucks. This will draw in some of the defenders strung out across the pitch, creating space.
There still is, the art of the jackal is still a huge part of the game. But it is much more smart jackal work than either dangerous contact or negative ball slowing. I think that's a great part of the game to watch (and one I enjoy in matches I play).
Reintroduce rucks would be a start. One used to be penalised or stamped on if one used ones hands.
Not sure what version of the game you played.

A good rake was for anyone that found themselves on the wrong side, but that was players sort of self governing the game. Today the ref has a much greater responsibility to ensure quick ball is available and that's why you see very little rake because the ref is usually providing the penalty advantage. And that was the case 15 years ago.

(Still bitter about a yellow for second offence. First was being wrong side of the ball after tackling kick receiver, second was allegedly collapsing a maul in oppo 22. Still get ribbed for it...)

spikeyhead

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17,337 posts

198 months

Sunday 28th March 2021
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I'd rather they only allowed two subs to be used, that way everyone starting would be expected to last the game.

anonymous-user

55 months

Sunday 28th March 2021
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These red and yellow cards this 6N have actually made the games excellent, I expect we might have more of that going on in future?

I wonder if just having less players from the start would have the same effect though?

Yes it’s easy afterwards to say Wales or whoever won due to playing 14 men but he rules are the same for both sides.

Not sure about the limit on subs, having fresh players coming on keeps it interesting and injects some new energy.


DocJock

8,358 posts

241 months

Sunday 28th March 2021
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Evanivitch said:
XCP said:
Evanivitch said:
DocJock said:
Reintroduce proper competition at rucks. This will draw in some of the defenders strung out across the pitch, creating space.
There still is, the art of the jackal is still a huge part of the game. But it is much more smart jackal work than either dangerous contact or negative ball slowing. I think that's a great part of the game to watch (and one I enjoy in matches I play).
Reintroduce rucks would be a start. One used to be penalised or stamped on if one used ones hands.
Not sure what version of the game you played.

A good rake was for anyone that found themselves on the wrong side, but that was players sort of self governing the game. Today the ref has a much greater responsibility to ensure quick ball is available and that's why you see very little rake because the ref is usually providing the penalty advantage. And that was the case 15 years ago.

(Still bitter about a yellow for second offence. First was being wrong side of the ball after tackling kick receiver, second was allegedly collapsing a maul in oppo 22. Still get ribbed for it...)
I'm referring to rucking where the forwards stay on their feet and drive over the ball ( and any players on the floor), just like a maul but with the ball on the ground. It provides very quick ball when done properly.

You also get the occasional spectacle of the 'Celtic foot rush'. smile

abzmike

8,404 posts

107 months

Sunday 28th March 2021
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spikeyhead said:
I'd rather they only allowed two subs to be used, that way everyone starting would be expected to last the game.
I don’t have the stats to hand but pretty sure virtually every 6N game had more than that in genuine injuries and HIAs. 2 isn’t really enough. I recall the old days where teams would have to play out games with 14 or 13, which is unfair.

DocJock

8,358 posts

241 months

Sunday 28th March 2021
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Rugby league style? Two subs with six interchanges (or three)

anonymous-user

55 months

Sunday 28th March 2021
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DocJock said:
Reintroduce proper competition at rucks. This will draw in some of the defenders strung out across the pitch, creating space.
I agree. The IRB should be looking at making the breakdown more competitive and less of a penalty-minefield. Then teams would be more prepared to commit players to the breakdown and so free up space on the rest of the pitch.

Smollet

10,609 posts

191 months

Sunday 28th March 2021
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DocJock said:
Rugby league style? Two subs with six interchanges (or three)
League and union should not be mentioned in the same sentence, thank you very much.

MYOB

4,793 posts

139 months

Sunday 28th March 2021
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spikeyhead said:
I'd rather they only allowed two subs to be used, that way everyone starting would be expected to last the game.
I agree with this. Due to the number of replacements permitted, this has allowed the pack to bulk up too much to the detriment of their fitness and seeing the match out.

I would rather see finesse rather than bulk in the pack.

Smollet

10,609 posts

191 months

Sunday 28th March 2021
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MYOB said:
spikeyhead said:
I'd rather they only allowed two subs to be used, that way everyone starting would be expected to last the game.
I agree with this. Due to the number of replacements permitted, this has allowed the pack to bulk up too much to the detriment of their fitness and seeing the match out.

I would rather see finesse rather than bulk in the pack.
I’d increase it to 5 but only 2 tactically and 3 for injury

irocfan

40,537 posts

191 months

Sunday 28th March 2021
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abzmike said:
spikeyhead said:
I'd rather they only allowed two subs to be used, that way everyone starting would be expected to last the game.
I don’t have the stats to hand but pretty sure virtually every 6N game had more than that in genuine injuries and HIAs. 2 isn’t really enough. I recall the old days where teams would have to play out games with 14 or 13, which is unfair.
the problem with that is that players may feel 'obliged' to stay on if injured and cause themselves more damage... less of an issue at elite level where independent doctors can make an unbiased decision I guess but still a concern (IIRC it's one of the reasons they allowed subs in the first place).

Madness60

571 posts

185 months

Sunday 28th March 2021
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If you don't have a complete front row replacement then you will get loads of uncontested scrums as World rugby deem it unsafe any other way. So if you want to minimise subs I think you can only down to 6 (3 x front row, 1 other forward and 2 backs) or if you really want go to only 1 back replacement.

cuprabob

14,668 posts

215 months

Sunday 28th March 2021
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Smollet said:
League and union should not be mentioned in the same sentence, thank you very much.
I think you just broke you're own rule smile