six nations 2021

[spikeyhead]

That really was a terrible, braindead performance.

There's no way any team can win when it's either giving away penalties or possession.

We deserved to lose by 20+ points, not 5

[silverthorn2151]

Taylor James said:

Awful from England. I don't think anyone played well and most had stinkers.

Every single one of them needs to have a look in the mirror. Just not acceptable is it.

Not good enough in any aspect whatsoever. Once you are in the refs focus you have to play smarter. Plenty of Scottish offenses not picked up because the ref wasn't looking for them. Not a complaint, just an observation.

[barryrs]

As tempting as it is too slam England as an Englishman for a poor performance it was Scotland’s skill that won that match.

[s2kjock]

Well that was encouraging.

We're normally pretty poor in our first game of the championship, even at home.

[ntiz]

I have to say this is the first time I think ever that I can say England where rubbish for a whole 80 mins.

Usually I find in international rugby that even when losing badly your team get some momentum going for a period. But at no point did it look even vaguely like they had the upper hand.

What I find most alarming is not the lack of endeavour from the backs but how the forwards couldn’t get hold of the ball or create moment. Even the best backs in the world can look average when given slow ball against a well formed defence.

England have gotten away with it for a bit by basically winning the arm wrestle for possession and momentum.

Shocking couldn’t get it together for even 5 mins though!

[DocJock]

All this England were rubbish, Scotland were average, is just sour grapes. England played as well as they were allowed.by a team with a plan which they executed well.

Strong first up defence and good kick defence and England don't have a clue what to do differently.

[CeramicMX5ND2]

Got to hand it to Scotland. Great discipline, control and kept it tight when they had to.. Score flatters England when Scotland missed a couple of kicks....!

[warch]

Well played Scotland, that defeat evoked no emotional response from me at all really, there was no sense of what might have been. Scotland wasted quite a few penalties too so the final score line flattered the hosts.

[Indoraptor]

DocJock said:

All this England were rubbish, Scotland were average, is just sour grapes. England played as well as they were allowed.by a team with a plan which they executed well.

Strong first up defence and good kick defence and England don't have a clue what to do differently.

Okayyyyyyyyy.

[CharlesdeGaulle]

Indoraptor said:

DocJock said:

All this England were rubbish, Scotland were average, is just sour grapes. England played as well as they were allowed.by a team with a plan which they executed well.

Strong first up defence and good kick defence and England don't have a clue what to do differently.

Okayyyyyyyyy.

I think he's right. Scotland bossed that from the first whistle to the last.

[irocfan]

DocJock said:

All this England were rubbish, Scotland were average, is just sour grapes. England played as well as they were allowed.by a team with a plan which they executed well.

Strong first up defence and good kick defence and England don't have a clue what to do differently.

maybe. The problem is that it is hard to give Scotland their due praise when your own team has been woeful - I really don't know how to measure Scotland on that basis. I could argue (with some justification) that Scotland should have put at least another 15 past us and that they didn't points to them being on for a frustrating 6N too.

It sounds like I'm taking it away from Scotland - I'm not they were utterly better than us in every facet of the game and we were lucky to come second

[anonymous-user]

Great, well deserved result by Scotland, they played really well and were on top from the start and even missed some chances to make it a bigger win.

God knows why English keep writing them off. Scotland have played some amazing rugby and had wins against all the big teams over the last few years, all they need is some more consistency.

[768]

CharlesdeGaulle said:

Indoraptor said:

DocJock said:

All this England were rubbish, Scotland were average, is just sour grapes. England played as well as they were allowed.by a team with a plan which they executed well.

Strong first up defence and good kick defence and England don't have a clue what to do differently.

Okayyyyyyyyy.

I think he's right. Scotland bossed that from the first whistle to the last.

I guess we'll find out as the tournament progresses and Scotland smash everyone.

[DocJock]

irocfan said:

DocJock said:

All this England were rubbish, Scotland were average, is just sour grapes. England played as well as they were allowed.by a team with a plan which they executed well.

Strong first up defence and good kick defence and England don't have a clue what to do differently.

maybe. The problem is that it is hard to give Scotland their due praise when your own team has been woeful - I really don't know how to measure Scotland on that basis. I could argue (with some justification) that Scotland should have put at least another 15 past us and that they didn't points to them being on for a frustrating 6N too.

It sounds like I'm taking it away from Scotland - I'm not they were utterly better than us in every facet of the game and we were lucky to come second

My post was slightly tongue in cheek as a response to the attitude of 'we lost because we were rubbish' which a large number of England fans display, never giving credit to opponents when they lose.

I stand by my contention that you can only play as well as you are allowed and a lot of England's mistakes were due to the pressure they were being put under. It's hard to look good when you have little possession and then kick it all away..

I think Eddie Jones is out of touch with his 'power & kick' tactics. England have so many great backs who are being wasted. An inside centre handling the ball once in 60 minutes is pretty damning

[Robbo66]

El stovey said:

Great, well deserved result by Scotland, they played really well and were on top from the start and even missed some chances to make it a bigger win.

God knows why English keep writing them off. Scotland have played some amazing rugby and had wins against all the big teams over the last few years, all they need is some more consistency.

Agree. I was expecting the usual ‘ we were woeful etc’ from press and usual swing lows on here, but bar the usual, everyone seems to have realised that they weren’t ‘woeful’, they were beaten in every department.

[Adam.]

DocJock said:

All this England were rubbish, Scotland were average, is just sour grapes. England played as well as they were allowed.by a team with a plan which they executed well.

Strong first up defence and good kick defence and England don't have a clue what to do differently.

Are you actually reading the comments?

Scotland were disciplined and excellent in managing the game, they capitalised on England’s incompetence.

They throughly deserved to win but a great performance would have smashed that poor a England by 20 points.

That said they had a game plan which wasn’t expecting England to be so cack, and they executed it very well.

[ntiz]

768 said:

CharlesdeGaulle said:

Indoraptor said:

DocJock said:

All this England were rubbish, Scotland were average, is just sour grapes. England played as well as they were allowed.by a team with a plan which they executed well.

Strong first up defence and good kick defence and England don't have a clue what to do differently.

Okayyyyyyyyy.

I think he's right. Scotland bossed that from the first whistle to the last.

I guess we'll find out as the tournament progresses and Scotland smash everyone.

It is hard to argue against the premise of stop our first up runners and nullify the kicking.

Will be interesting if England have been worked out and everyone just makes damn sure the back field is well covered. Force them to come at you.

[DocJock]

768 said:

I guess we'll find out as the tournament progresses and Scotland smash everyone.

Come on now, you know we'll beat England and France then lose to Italy and Wales.

[joshleb]

Lack of plan B has been mentioned for the last couple of years - evident today

Poor individual performances - penalties, catching high balls, missed tackles

Leadership - All seemed a mess.

Massive congrats to Scotland, played a great game, put us under pressure, put the knife in and twisted it at the right moments.
They were unlucky not to get more points with the amount of time spent in our 22.

[biggbn]

Crikey, we were pretty good today!!