B&I Lions tour 2021
Discussion
a311 said:
Sadly scrums have just become a mechanism to milk penalties and burn up copious amounts of time. The refs are usually former backs and don't have a clue what's going on, but who actually does?
Hookers haven't hooked for ages. Don't know the answer. Go a la rugby league and just use them as a way of restarting the game. Still need the big/fat blokes for mauls, rucks, lineouts.
Honestly, you're focusing on the wrong problem.Hookers haven't hooked for ages. Don't know the answer. Go a la rugby league and just use them as a way of restarting the game. Still need the big/fat blokes for mauls, rucks, lineouts.
You can have rubbish games that have loads of scrums, and you can have rubbish games that have few scrums.
I've watched and really enjoyed games with lots of scrums too.
Referees just need to apply the laws we already have clearly and consistently. Tinkering further or 'going back to old ways' isn't the answer.
WR obviously don't want competitive scrums, they just want a restart.
As C70R says, apply the laws. Straight put in and hooker required to strike for the ball are both already in the rule book.
eta: another law which is routinely ignored is the offside positioning of 'guards' for a box-kicking scrum half. They are invariably stood loitering in front of the back foot.
As C70R says, apply the laws. Straight put in and hooker required to strike for the ball are both already in the rule book.
eta: another law which is routinely ignored is the offside positioning of 'guards' for a box-kicking scrum half. They are invariably stood loitering in front of the back foot.
Edited by DocJock on Wednesday 11th August 11:34
I suppose you could add a law that says that the ball must be touched by a front row foot. Then again the scrum half will just bounce it off a props leg on the way to the second row, and there will be endless restarts and tmo calls.
Needs someone cleverer than me ( former prop) to work it out.
Needs someone cleverer than me ( former prop) to work it out.
C70R said:
Honestly, you're focusing on the wrong problem.
You can have rubbish games that have loads of scrums, and you can have rubbish games that have few scrums.
I've watched and really enjoyed games with lots of scrums too.
Referees just need to apply the laws we already have clearly and consistently. Tinkering further or 'going back to old ways' isn't the answer.
I was mainly joking with my earlier post but I do think the game would improve if the restarts were more of a lottery than they are now. You can have rubbish games that have loads of scrums, and you can have rubbish games that have few scrums.
I've watched and really enjoyed games with lots of scrums too.
Referees just need to apply the laws we already have clearly and consistently. Tinkering further or 'going back to old ways' isn't the answer.
The main issue is that the players are too fit and this is exacerbated by the fact they can make multiple substitutions.
Knackered players make mistakes - mistakes lead to turnovers and more open play.
So I'd be going for
No subs other than injury.
No lifting in lineout and restarts
Contested scrums with a short window to use the ball (same with rucks)
In jest I'd also say that props need to have minimum 42 waist/max 29 inside leg and wingers should be penalised for actually being able to tackle.
XCP said:
Mind you we used to lift in lineouts before it was legal. It was called 'supporting the jumper'. Not to the extent they do nowadays granted.
Thing is with the amount of cameras at games these days lifting should be (relatively) easy to spot and penalise. Get jumpers to jump, not be lifted. I suspect that would change a fair few bits of the game dynamic a311 said:
Sadly scrums have just become a mechanism to milk penalties and burn up copious amounts of time. The refs are usually former backs and don't have a clue what's going on, but who actually does?
Hookers haven't hooked for ages. Don't know the answer. Go a la rugby league and just use them as a way of restarting the game. Still need the big/fat blokes for mauls, rucks, lineouts.
How about instead of a penalty you could only win a free kick? Only allowed to reset the scrum once by choice.Hookers haven't hooked for ages. Don't know the answer. Go a la rugby league and just use them as a way of restarting the game. Still need the big/fat blokes for mauls, rucks, lineouts.
You still get a contest but the onus is to attack from it rather than look to milk penalties.
ETA: and then I thought about my idea for more than 30 seconds and realised you’d just get the weak scum team pulling it down to only give away a free kick
Edited by London424 on Wednesday 11th August 13:12
Leithen said:
Evanivitch said:
Leithen said:
Reduce scrums to five players. Scrums aren't awarded to either side, instead the ref puts the ball in straight and hookers have to hook again.
So what's the point of penalising a knock on?Edited to add the previous law was written thus (d) The scrumhalf must throw in the ball straight along the middle line, so that it first touches the ground immediately beyond the width of the nearer prop’s shoulders.
Reduce scrum numbers, ref or linesman puts the ball in, pack strength and hooker skill competes for the ball, job done.
The new bias method is crap IMHO.
Edited by Leithen on Monday 9th August 16:48
looks like we know who won't be the Lions 10 for the next tour...
https://www.planetrugby.com/scottish-fly-half-finn...
https://www.planetrugby.com/scottish-fly-half-finn...
DodgyGeezer said:
looks like we know who won't be the Lions 10 for the next tour...
https://www.planetrugby.com/scottish-fly-half-finn...
Why? I think we know who the coach won't be...https://www.planetrugby.com/scottish-fly-half-finn...
DodgyGeezer said:
looks like we know who won't be the Lions 10 for the next tour...
https://www.planetrugby.com/scottish-fly-half-finn...
He’s not saying anything that’s not been said before…https://www.planetrugby.com/scottish-fly-half-finn...
abzmike said:
DodgyGeezer said:
looks like we know who won't be the Lions 10 for the next tour...
https://www.planetrugby.com/scottish-fly-half-finn...
Why? I think we know who the coach won't be...https://www.planetrugby.com/scottish-fly-half-finn...
DodgyGeezer said:
abzmike said:
DodgyGeezer said:
looks like we know who won't be the Lions 10 for the next tour...
https://www.planetrugby.com/scottish-fly-half-finn...
Why? I think we know who the coach won't be...https://www.planetrugby.com/scottish-fly-half-finn...
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