England cricket, summer 2021
Discussion
Chris Stott said:
P*** is not the same as, as anyone who’s lived in the UK for any length of time knows full well. It has a racist connotation which over rides any context in which it’s used.
It is also never not used in a perjorative sense, nor as far as I am aware is it used as a term by members of that group, like the N word amongst some black people. It is often used to generically describe pretty much anyone of Indian, Pakistani, Bangladeshi or Sri Lankan origin which is basically a sign of ignorance.
Newarch said:
Chris Stott said:
P*** is not the same as, as anyone who’s lived in the UK for any length of time knows full well. It has a racist connotation which over rides any context in which it’s used.
It is also never not used in a perjorative sense, nor as far as I am aware is it used as a term by members of that group, like the N word amongst some black people. It is often used to generically describe pretty much anyone of Indian, Pakistani, Bangladeshi or Sri Lankan origin which is basically a sign of ignorance.
Edited by Chris Stott on Friday 19th November 09:54
Leithen said:
Perhaps English cricket will at last face the glaringly obvious reality of having a large asian community, generally obsessed with the sport, but barely any players making it into first class ranks.
Having finally been forced to address the issue, can they succesfully change decades of missed opportunity? I'm not holding my breath.
On the face of it, it has appeared that you had less chance getting into the England test side if you were from Bradford than Cape Town.
Do you have the numbers to note that Pakistanis and/or other Asians are under-represented in first class cricket?Having finally been forced to address the issue, can they succesfully change decades of missed opportunity? I'm not holding my breath.
On the face of it, it has appeared that you had less chance getting into the England test side if you were from Bradford than Cape Town.
As an example, there have been 700 representatives of any background for England in history There are currently approx 2% of the population who are Pakistani. Have there been 14 Pakistani players for England?
I think it's not that far off, and that's before you start to look at how long there have been 2% of the population and other socio-economic factors.
I imagine it would be possible to look more granulalry at it, but I suspect the situation might not be that far out. (Of course if it is then it should be looked at as to why. But I'm not convinced this is the major problem some may see it as).
Murph7355 said:
Do you have the numbers to note that Pakistanis and/or other Asians are under-represented in first class cricket?
As an example, there have been 700 representatives of any background for England in history There are currently approx 2% of the population who are Pakistani. Have there been 14 Pakistani players for England?
I think it's not that far off, and that's before you start to look at how long there have been 2% of the population and other socio-economic factors.
I imagine it would be possible to look more granulalry at it, but I suspect the situation might not be that far out. (Of course if it is then it should be looked at as to why. But I'm not convinced this is the major problem some may see it as).
Bare demographic statistics might suggest that there hasn't been and isn't a problem. But of course there are lies, damn lies and statistics.As an example, there have been 700 representatives of any background for England in history There are currently approx 2% of the population who are Pakistani. Have there been 14 Pakistani players for England?
I think it's not that far off, and that's before you start to look at how long there have been 2% of the population and other socio-economic factors.
I imagine it would be possible to look more granulalry at it, but I suspect the situation might not be that far out. (Of course if it is then it should be looked at as to why. But I'm not convinced this is the major problem some may see it as).
Given that cricket, not football, has long been the first sport of the asian community, in a fully inclusive system, one would expect a disproportionate overrepresentation of asian players in the Midlands and the North.
A cursory google search brings up this wonderful snippet - It was not until 2003 that a British Asian represented Yorkshire - Ismail Dawood. ( https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=NF0PDQAAQBAJ&a...)
At least two generations of talent have been lost IMHO.
NowWatchThisDrive said:
FredericRobinson said:
More texting news - Tim Paine resigns
What a pity. Couldn't have happened to a nicer bloke. Leithen said:
Bare demographic statistics might suggest that there hasn't been and isn't a problem. But of course there are lies, damn lies and statistics.
Given that cricket, not football, has long been the first sport of the asian community, in a fully inclusive system, one would expect a disproportionate overrepresentation of asian players in the Midlands and the North.
A cursory google search brings up this wonderful snippet - It was not until 2003 that a British Asian represented Yorkshire - Ismail Dawood. ( https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=NF0PDQAAQBAJ&a...)
At least two generations of talent have been lost IMHO.
South Asians making up 1/3rd of recreational cricketers is the more relevant number than their proportion of the overall population Given that cricket, not football, has long been the first sport of the asian community, in a fully inclusive system, one would expect a disproportionate overrepresentation of asian players in the Midlands and the North.
A cursory google search brings up this wonderful snippet - It was not until 2003 that a British Asian represented Yorkshire - Ismail Dawood. ( https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=NF0PDQAAQBAJ&a...)
At least two generations of talent have been lost IMHO.
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