Emma Raducanu

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DeuceDeuce

355 posts

93 months

Thursday 1st June 2023
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I was staying in a hotel in Mexico City last week where I presume ER was also staying as I saw her at the pool.

I never recognise famous people (or even my wife in a crowd for that matter) but I did on this occasion (after a while) as she had bandages on her worst and ankle and I thought that unusual.

She was in the company of two young men, one of them I believe was her boyfriend, but both of them were the sort of loud, over confident, entitled, and brash characters you really don’t want to be sharing a pool with. She, to be fair, was well behaved.

The point being, from my brief observation, is that she has poor taste in friends and therefore perhaps poor judgement when choosing other relationships.

nickfrog

21,280 posts

218 months

Thursday 1st June 2023
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WindyCommon said:
It’s hard to change your parents!
Exactly, so you might as well protect the relationship by separating work and family.

nickfrog

21,280 posts

218 months

Thursday 1st June 2023
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DeuceDeuce said:
She was in the company of two young men, one of them I believe was her boyfriend, but both of them were the sort of loud, over confident, entitled, and brash characters you really don’t want to be sharing a pool with. She, to be fair, was well behaved.

The point being, from my brief observation, is that she has poor taste in friends and therefore perhaps poor judgement when choosing other relationships.
confused

She is 20, let her have a bit of fun, what are you? Her grandad? wink

nickfrog

21,280 posts

218 months

Thursday 1st June 2023
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Mr Pointy said:
If you want to make a big change, you need to change something big. She's tried changes coaches - repeatedly - so now she needs to change whoever it is advising her which seems to be her parents.

Personally I think she's had her shot & should look for something else to do: continuing to do the same things as she has for the last year is going to lead to the same results. I'm sure she's enjoying the sposorship & the red carpet stuff but it won't last much longer.
I know everyone is a pundit but having triple surgery is quite a major decision, that might change a lot of things hopefully but if she gives up then she won't know if that helps, will she? Have you played much competitive tennis with a lingering injury? Or 3?

ChocolateFrog

25,630 posts

174 months

Thursday 1st June 2023
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It's not you, it's me.

DeuceDeuce

355 posts

93 months

Thursday 1st June 2023
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nickfrog said:
DeuceDeuce said:
She was in the company of two young men, one of them I believe was her boyfriend, but both of them were the sort of loud, over confident, entitled, and brash characters you really don’t want to be sharing a pool with. She, to be fair, was well behaved.

The point being, from my brief observation, is that she has poor taste in friends and therefore perhaps poor judgement when choosing other relationships.
confused

She is 20, let her have a bit of fun, what are you? Her grandad? wink
Dude. I’m happy for anyone to have as much fun as they like as long as they are considerate to others when sharing facilities. Like I said, she was respectful, her company were not.

nickfrog

21,280 posts

218 months

Friday 2nd June 2023
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DeuceDeuce said:
Dude. I’m happy for anyone to have as much fun as they like as long as they are considerate to others when sharing facilities. Like I said, she was respectful, her company were not.
Presumably you said something then if it was that bad?

andyA700

2,784 posts

38 months

Friday 2nd June 2023
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rjfp1962 said:
andyA700 said:
Twenty years old and five coaches in around two years, that is just not going to work. I really cannot see how she is going to progress in the future, which is a real shame as she is obviously a very talented player.
I wonder who really manages "Team Raducanu"...! Emma, or her father..?
Interesting quote from "Another one bites the dust".

"It's a pity, of course, because I like Emma and we worked very well together on the court," he told Eurosport. "But unfortunately, difficult situations led to difficult conversations and finally we came to this decision. I wish her a speedy recovery and hope to see her back on the court in top form soon."

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/tennis/1776592/emm...

swisstoni

17,080 posts

280 months

Friday 2nd June 2023
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I was speaking to a physio the other day who’s dealt with well known sports people for years.
She recons that ER isn’t physically capable of dealing with the demands of tour tennis.

And would do well to take a year or two to play some thing like US college tennis while building herself up physically.

Of course that’s not going to happen. None of her beneficiaries are going to let the golden goose do that despite it probably paying off in the long term.

McGee_22

6,733 posts

180 months

Friday 2nd June 2023
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BBC R4 had an interview with Naomi Broady this morning who confirmed that ER's Dad is very much involved in coaching and coach selection. She was defending this saying both she and Liam and many other players on the Tour have parents involved in their set-ups but the interviewer was gently suggesting this perhaps might not be suiting ER with quite so many coaches coming and going in such a very short space of time.

Muzzer79

10,115 posts

188 months

Friday 2nd June 2023
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DeuceDeuce said:
I was staying in a hotel in Mexico City last week where I presume ER was also staying as I saw her at the pool.

I never recognise famous people (or even my wife in a crowd for that matter) but I did on this occasion (after a while) as she had bandages on her worst and ankle and I thought that unusual.

She was in the company of two young men, one of them I believe was her boyfriend, but both of them were the sort of loud, over confident, entitled, and brash characters you really don’t want to be sharing a pool with. She, to be fair, was well behaved.

The point being, from my brief observation, is that she has poor taste in friends and therefore perhaps poor judgement when choosing other relationships.
I'm struggling to correlate the relevance of the friends one chooses and the colleagues one chooses. I have friends of all sorts of personalities. My work colleagues are quite different.

This correlation is even more odd based on one interaction, on holiday, for a few minutes.

Mr Pointy

11,289 posts

160 months

Friday 2nd June 2023
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nickfrog said:
Mr Pointy said:
If you want to make a big change, you need to change something big. She's tried changes coaches - repeatedly - so now she needs to change whoever it is advising her which seems to be her parents.

Personally I think she's had her shot & should look for something else to do: continuing to do the same things as she has for the last year is going to lead to the same results. I'm sure she's enjoying the sposorship & the red carpet stuff but it won't last much longer.
I know everyone is a pundit but having triple surgery is quite a major decision, that might change a lot of things hopefully but if she gives up then she won't know if that helps, will she? Have you played much competitive tennis with a lingering injury? Or 3?
There's no connection between her injuries & the rotating door spewing coaches out every few months, unless you are suggetsing the way they coached her caused the injuries.

What she & her advisors are doing hasn't worked & isn't working. In fact there's a chance it has created an even worse situation where any decent coach may not touch her with a bargepole so she's only going to get access to second & third level coaches who need the work. Is a top level coach going to want to take a job where they get summarily dispensed with after a few months?

She needs to make some significant changes or she'll get the same results.

nickfrog

21,280 posts

218 months

Friday 2nd June 2023
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Mr Pointy said:
nickfrog said:
Mr Pointy said:
If you want to make a big change, you need to change something big. She's tried changes coaches - repeatedly - so now she needs to change whoever it is advising her which seems to be her parents.

Personally I think she's had her shot & should look for something else to do: continuing to do the same things as she has for the last year is going to lead to the same results. I'm sure she's enjoying the sposorship & the red carpet stuff but it won't last much longer.
I know everyone is a pundit but having triple surgery is quite a major decision, that might change a lot of things hopefully but if she gives up then she won't know if that helps, will she? Have you played much competitive tennis with a lingering injury? Or 3?
There's no connection between her injuries & the rotating door spewing coaches out every few months, unless you are suggetsing the way they coached her caused the injuries.

What she & her advisors are doing hasn't worked & isn't working. In fact there's a chance it has created an even worse situation where any decent coach may not touch her with a bargepole so she's only going to get access to second & third level coaches who need the work. Is a top level coach going to want to take a job where they get summarily dispensed with after a few months?

She needs to make some significant changes or she'll get the same results.
I didn't say there was a connection. You suggest she changes something big. I suggest going for surgery is a big change. Far bigger than any change of coach. In fact perhaps her lingering injuries are the main issue. If you're playing with 3 injuries, it doesn't really matter how good or bad your coach is. But you have a point in terms of credibility for the future.



Edited by nickfrog on Friday 2nd June 13:06

swisstoni

17,080 posts

280 months

Friday 2nd June 2023
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We are assuming that all these coaches have been sacked. I could imagine where some of them are prima donnas in their own right and could well walk of their own accord in some situations where they don't consider that a player is enhancing their reputation.

abzmike

8,464 posts

107 months

Friday 2nd June 2023
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Perhaps they are not just on a salary, but their payment is based on results. In reality ER isn't going going to win much money this year, the latest guy is young and may have a mortgage to pay...

Ohio7274

249 posts

13 months

Friday 2nd June 2023
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swisstoni said:
We are assuming that all these coaches have been sacked.
https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegrap...

swisstoni

17,080 posts

280 months

Friday 2nd June 2023
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Ohio7274 said:
swisstoni said:
We are assuming that all these coaches have been sacked.
https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegrap...
Looks like some walked. "Red Flags" mentioned by one as a reason for leaving.

ChocolateFrog

25,630 posts

174 months

Friday 2nd June 2023
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abzmike said:
Perhaps they are not just on a salary, but their payment is based on results. In reality ER isn't going going to win much money this year, the latest guy is young and may have a mortgage to pay...
A reasonable assumption I'd have thought.

Performance related bonuses for coaches is a no brainer from the athletes POV.

dundarach

5,092 posts

229 months

Friday 2nd June 2023
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I'm still waiting for my comments (a long time ago) to make me look like a fool.

Fortunately I'm very patient!

andyA700

2,784 posts

38 months

Saturday 3rd June 2023
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So, it would seem that Ricahrdson, after helping Emma to US Open success, was ready to sign a new contract to contimue, but received a call from Emma's agent, saying that they had decided to go in a different direction, which turned out to be success to failure. The agent is someone called Max Eisenbud, who also managed Maria Sharapova in the past. Eisenbud is part of IMG and earlier this year managed current World number one Iga Swiatek of Poland. Does anyone see a possible conflict of interests here? Imagine if Pep Guardiola was manager of both Manchester City and Manchester Utd.

https://www.tennisworldusa.org/tennis/news/Tennis_...