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nickfrog said:
g4ry13 said:
Or maybe a fortunate set of circumstances occurred which resulted in Raducanu meeting a player ranked 150 in the Final for a Slam?
She had not exactly proven herself before / after this anomaly.
Are you sure Fernández was 150th then? She has been in the top 20 for a while so that would surprise me. She had not exactly proven herself before / after this anomaly.
Fernandez was ranked #77. Raducanu began the year ranked 345 and was 150th when the US Open began.
Still rather fortunate to play a final against a #77 player rather than a top 10.
g4ry13 said:
monthou said:
g4ry13 said:
Didn't she retire from Wimbledon before the US Open win due to anxiety?
She may not have the mental fortitude for the game.
Good point.She may not have the mental fortitude for the game.
US Open winner lacks the necessary mental fortitude for the game. Doesn't sound nuts at all.
She had not exactly proven herself before / after this anomaly.
g4ry13 said:
I previewed the article in Google so only got a few lines! To clarify:
Fernandez was ranked #77. Raducanu began the year ranked 345 and was 150th when the US Open began.
Still rather fortunate to play a final against a #77 player rather than a top 10.
Depends. Playing a top 10 when you're 12th is more fortunate than playing a 77th when you're 150th.Fernandez was ranked #77. Raducanu began the year ranked 345 and was 150th when the US Open began.
Still rather fortunate to play a final against a #77 player rather than a top 10.
North West Tom said:
The women players are so inconsistent that ranking goes out of the window when the time comes to play.
In this instance at the US Open they didn't have a chance to go out of the window because they were never in to start with given the meteoric rises and young age of both ER and LF. nickfrog said:
biggbn said:
I am no tennis fan, so obviously have no position of either expertise or knowledge to comment from, but I do wonder if her unprecedented success is forcing her to take part in tournaments she is neither physically or emotionally ready for. She seems to have a lot of retirals and I do wonder of she is emotionally strong enough to deal with all this sudden pressure and expectation, both from the public and her sponsors
I find the situation difficult to read but you might be right.On the one hand she may need to have a proper break for complete physical conditioning but on the other the pressure is such that she can't afford to, particularly as not playing competitively for too long makes it all the more difficult to come back. It's a very complex game at that level.
For me, and I am probably getting boring repeating the same thing, she needs a top team around her. She massively missed the boat with Moratoglou.
They all need to take a step back, analyse the current situation and come up with a long term plan of action. Her current situation is unsustainable.
Like you say, it would make sense for her to get a top team around her, take a break and get into top fitness, mentally and physically, with this team training her.
It could be that she is riding the wave with all the sponsorship perks but the conditions are that contracts can be rescinded if she drops out of top 20 ranking. This would force her hand in continuing with tournaments even though not at full fitness.
leef44 said:
This is how I see it. It's difficult to see who is calling the shots: sponsors? parents? herself?
They all need to take a step back, analyse the current situation and come up with a long term plan of action. Her current situation is unsustainable.
Like you say, it would make sense for her to get a top team around her, take a break and get into top fitness, mentally and physically, with this team training her.
It could be that she is riding the wave with all the sponsorship perks but the conditions are that contracts can be rescinded if she drops out of top 20 ranking. This would force her hand in continuing with tournaments even though not at full fitness.
It's a hard one to call. There's only so much physical training you can do and there's a big difference between being fit, and being match fit. The only way to get match fit is to play competitive games. So whilst having to retire is clearly a really bad thing, what's probably worse is taking a couple of months off and losing any chance you had of creating that match-ready physical and mental sharpness.They all need to take a step back, analyse the current situation and come up with a long term plan of action. Her current situation is unsustainable.
Like you say, it would make sense for her to get a top team around her, take a break and get into top fitness, mentally and physically, with this team training her.
It could be that she is riding the wave with all the sponsorship perks but the conditions are that contracts can be rescinded if she drops out of top 20 ranking. This would force her hand in continuing with tournaments even though not at full fitness.
t. This looks like a bodge. nickfrog said:
egor110 said:
That's normal for training glutes what state of the art equipment would you recommend?
I can't remember mentioning the equipment.I'll show the video to an expert in a minute and see what she says. Bear with.
Remember it's the exercise that matters not how pretty the gym is .
To be honest I find that more than a bit worrying. Emma is an 18 year old female who weighs 55kg/121lbs. She is doing reps of 180kg/396lbs.
I would expect an elite male of that weight to be lifting only slightly more.
https://strengthlevel.com/strength-standards/hip-t...
I would expect an elite male of that weight to be lifting only slightly more.
https://strengthlevel.com/strength-standards/hip-t...
egor110 said:
You do that .
Remember it's the exercise that matters not how pretty the gym is .
I can't remember mentioning anything about prettiness. But you still have a point.Remember it's the exercise that matters not how pretty the gym is .
The feedback I got is that it's a ridiculous exercise in terms of risk/reward for someone her weight and particularly for someone on the WTA building a long term career.
Far safer ways to achieve similar results with far less risk of back injury/strain.
As I said, she needs a top team using top facilities (if that includes safer methods/equipment).
nickfrog said:
egor110 said:
You do that .
Remember it's the exercise that matters not how pretty the gym is .
I can't remember mentioning anything about prettiness. But you still have a point.Remember it's the exercise that matters not how pretty the gym is .
The feedback I got is that it's a ridiculous exercise in terms of risk/reward for someone her weight and particularly for someone on the WTA building a long term career.
Far safer ways to achieve similar results with far less risk of back injury/strain.
As I said, she needs a top team using top facilities (if that includes safer methods/equipment).
However she's clearly doing a strength training session and how ever you spin it ultimately your lifting, pushing, pulling heavy stuff regardless if its nice shiny weights or old tractor tyres.
We've got no idea when this was filmed , how long she's had her strength coach but i do agree she does seem quite fragile so clearly something's not working.
egor110 said:
Clearly you were shocked by how low tech and shabby her training facility seemed to be , admittedly if i was her I'd hoped to of been able to train somewhere nice .
However she's clearly doing a strength training session and how ever you spin it ultimately your lifting, pushing, pulling heavy stuff regardless if its nice shiny weights or old tractor tyres.
We've got no idea when this was filmed , how long she's had her strength coach but i do agree she does seem quite fragile so clearly something's not working.
This video was tweeted by Emma in early Feb. Check out the reply in this link which shows Daniil Medvedev doing the same exercise, and contrast.However she's clearly doing a strength training session and how ever you spin it ultimately your lifting, pushing, pulling heavy stuff regardless if its nice shiny weights or old tractor tyres.
We've got no idea when this was filmed , how long she's had her strength coach but i do agree she does seem quite fragile so clearly something's not working.
https://twitter.com/Gregeth23/status/1492602866330...
I think it was obvious that Emma needed to work on her strength and stamina as she embarks on the world tour, but this amount of weight for a young woman does seem excessive.
DE1975 said:
egor110 said:
Clearly you were shocked by how low tech and shabby her training facility seemed to be , admittedly if i was her I'd hoped to of been able to train somewhere nice .
However she's clearly doing a strength training session and how ever you spin it ultimately your lifting, pushing, pulling heavy stuff regardless if its nice shiny weights or old tractor tyres.
We've got no idea when this was filmed , how long she's had her strength coach but i do agree she does seem quite fragile so clearly something's not working.
This video was tweeted by Emma in early Feb. Check out the reply in this link which shows Daniil Medvedev doing the same exercise, and contrast.However she's clearly doing a strength training session and how ever you spin it ultimately your lifting, pushing, pulling heavy stuff regardless if its nice shiny weights or old tractor tyres.
We've got no idea when this was filmed , how long she's had her strength coach but i do agree she does seem quite fragile so clearly something's not working.
https://twitter.com/Gregeth23/status/1492602866330...
I think it was obvious that Emma needed to work on her strength and stamina as she embarks on the world tour, but this amount of weight for a young woman does seem excessive.
We know from that video she lifted it 4 times but for all we know she could be on a 5x5 routine and this is her trying to move up to the next weight , we dont know if she's doing pyramids so we haven't seen her do lighter sets of 15 , 12,10,8,6 and this is the final heaviest shortest set.
Look at athletes from pretty much any sport including cylclist and runners and there no longer lifting light weights with loads of reps as it's just a waste of time you've got to break down the muscle so it regrows not just do sets of 20 plus reps that are just far to easy.
Again something isn't working for her though she's going thru coaches at a tremendous rate and she does seem to always be carrying a injury .
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