GOLF - 2022

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48Valves

1,956 posts

209 months

Monday 6th June 2022
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sxmwht said:
Well that's what I was wondering, whether people signed their own cards as "someone else". I don't think that's right at all, FWIW. But only entering competition rounds seems to pose the opposite problem to me - unless you're only playing competitions, it seems to me there is plenty of time to improve without your handicap changing, and you're therefore better placed than many when it comes to the next tournament.
We use How Did I do. If I wanted to I could sign in to submit a general play card and submit it without having it countersigned. I haven’t, but I don’t see it as a major issue as long as it’s not used to get an inflated index. If someone wants a lower vanity index let them crack on.

sxmwht

1,565 posts

59 months

Monday 6th June 2022
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48Valves said:
We use How Did I do. If I wanted to I could sign in to submit a general play card and submit it without having it countersigned. I haven’t, but I don’t see it as a major issue as long as it’s not used to get an inflated index. If someone wants a lower vanity index let them crack on.
Interesting, what exactly is this website? I had a look on the landing page but it doesn't seem to give me much to go on without signing up. How does it solve the solo handicap problem?

deckster

9,630 posts

255 months

Monday 6th June 2022
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sxmwht said:
Well that's what I was wondering, whether people signed their own cards as "someone else". I don't think that's right at all, FWIW. But only entering competition rounds seems to pose the opposite problem to me - unless you're only playing competitions, it seems to me there is plenty of time to improve without your handicap changing, and you're therefore better placed than many when it comes to the next tournament.
If you exclusively play by yourself then there are no simple answers, apart from play with other people more smile I would say that putting in cards that aren't properly validated by somebody you played with is the wrong thing to do though, no matter how noble the intention.

Of course putting in more cards is encouraged and will result in a more accurate handicap. But so long as you aren't nursing your high handicap for twelve months and then coming out to win the club championships once a year, I don't think anybody is really going to care one way or the other.

You could always just play more comps smile Despite being a bit rubbish and never troubling the medal table, I thoroughly enjoy playing a bit more seriously once a week. It's a very different game to social golf and I think you're missing something if you only ever play by yourself.

deckster

9,630 posts

255 months

Monday 6th June 2022
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48Valves said:
We use How Did I do. If I wanted to I could sign in to submit a general play card and submit it without having it countersigned. I haven’t, but I don’t see it as a major issue as long as it’s not used to get an inflated index. If someone wants a lower vanity index let them crack on.
That's not an official EG handicap though is it? But for sure that's perfect for keeping track of how you're playing.

sxmwht

1,565 posts

59 months

Monday 6th June 2022
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deckster said:
If you exclusively play by yourself then there are no simple answers, apart from play with other people more smile I would say that putting in cards that aren't properly validated by somebody you played with is the wrong thing to do though, no matter how noble the intention.

Of course putting in more cards is encouraged and will result in a more accurate handicap. But so long as you aren't nursing your high handicap for twelve months and then coming out to win the club championships once a year, I don't think anybody is really going to care one way or the other.

You could always just play more comps smile Despite being a bit rubbish and never troubling the medal table, I thoroughly enjoy playing a bit more seriously once a week. It's a very different game to social golf and I think you're missing something if you only ever play by yourself.
I'm definitely going to start playing competition golf once I get a bit better, a bit more confident in my ability to put two or three decent holes together in a row. At the moment, literally any hole could end up being a blow up hole. I'm mainly shooting 5-7 per hole, but I'm not surprised to get a snowman on a par 3 or a par on a 5! It really could go either way

deckster

9,630 posts

255 months

Monday 6th June 2022
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sxmwht said:
I'm definitely going to start playing competition golf once I get a bit better, a bit more confident in my ability to put two or three decent holes together in a row. At the moment, literally any hole could end up being a blow up hole. I'm mainly shooting 5-7 per hole, but I'm not surprised to get a snowman on a par 3 or a par on a 5! It really could go either way
Seriously don't worry. I scored 11 on a par 4 last week biggrin

48Valves

1,956 posts

209 months

Monday 6th June 2022
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deckster said:
48Valves said:
We use How Did I do. If I wanted to I could sign in to submit a general play card and submit it without having it countersigned. I haven’t, but I don’t see it as a major issue as long as it’s not used to get an inflated index. If someone wants a lower vanity index let them crack on.
That's not an official EG handicap though is it? But for sure that's perfect for keeping track of how you're playing.
HDID is connected to the EG handicap system. So I could in theory enter a round and it be part of my official handicap.

deckster

9,630 posts

255 months

Monday 6th June 2022
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48Valves said:
HDID is connected to the EG handicap system. So I could in theory enter a round and it be part of my official handicap.
Ah OK I misunderstood. Do you then not have to specify your playing partner so they can sign off on your score, like you do on the EG app?

48Valves

1,956 posts

209 months

Monday 6th June 2022
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deckster said:
48Valves said:
HDID is connected to the EG handicap system. So I could in theory enter a round and it be part of my official handicap.
Ah OK I misunderstood. Do you then not have to specify your playing partner so they can sign off on your score, like you do on the EG app?
There is that option, but you can ignore it. Not sure why it’s set up like that.

deckster

9,630 posts

255 months

Monday 6th June 2022
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48Valves said:
deckster said:
48Valves said:
HDID is connected to the EG handicap system. So I could in theory enter a round and it be part of my official handicap.
Ah OK I misunderstood. Do you then not have to specify your playing partner so they can sign off on your score, like you do on the EG app?
There is that option, but you can ignore it. Not sure why it’s set up like that.
Yeah seems wide open to abuse. Not that the EG system is foolproof by any means but at least they try.

fourstardan

4,302 posts

144 months

Monday 6th June 2022
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The whole system is open to abuse.

One thing I have noticed now is the ease of supplementary rounds with the MyEG app is growing a number of people with vanity handicaps.

I couldn't give a sht to be honest if thats what they want to do, however you will find when playing the exclusive comps like a county championship or decent comp at a top100 club they will get in through the ballot.

It's a joke and England Golf need to sort it.

Tycho

11,618 posts

273 months

Tuesday 7th June 2022
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Does anyone know the situation with the LIV tour and the Majors? Mickelson has said he is looking forward to playing in both but I don't think the PGA tour would be happy with this and would try to block him and others who have done similar.

48Valves

1,956 posts

209 months

Tuesday 7th June 2022
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Tycho said:
Does anyone know the situation with the LIV tour and the Majors? Mickelson has said he is looking forward to playing in both but I don't think the PGA tour would be happy with this and would try to block him and others who have done similar.
The majors are run independently of the PGA tour.

Rosscow

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8,773 posts

163 months

Tuesday 7th June 2022
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48Valves said:
Tycho said:
Does anyone know the situation with the LIV tour and the Majors? Mickelson has said he is looking forward to playing in both but I don't think the PGA tour would be happy with this and would try to block him and others who have done similar.
The majors are run independently of the PGA tour.
They also all have qualifying (apart from the Masters?), so anyone in theory can enter if they want to go through the process.

The likes of Phil, DJ, Garcia etc. will also have exemption for many as they're major winners already.

Tycho

11,618 posts

273 months

Tuesday 7th June 2022
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Rosscow said:
48Valves said:
Tycho said:
Does anyone know the situation with the LIV tour and the Majors? Mickelson has said he is looking forward to playing in both but I don't think the PGA tour would be happy with this and would try to block him and others who have done similar.
The majors are run independently of the PGA tour.
They also all have qualifying (apart from the Masters?), so anyone in theory can enter if they want to go through the process.

The likes of Phil, DJ, Garcia etc. will also have exemption for many as they're major winners already.
I thought that might be the case. Thanks for clarifying guys.

rlg43p

1,231 posts

249 months

Tuesday 7th June 2022
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sxmwht said:
Does everyone here always complete their handicap rounds legitimately, i.e. with another player signing their card?
Yes.

At our club, you have to have someone else complete and sign the card for it to count towards your official handicap. I think this is supposed to be standard practice.

Rosscow

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8,773 posts

163 months

Tuesday 7th June 2022
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rlg43p said:
sxmwht said:
Does everyone here always complete their handicap rounds legitimately, i.e. with another player signing their card?
Yes.

At our club, you have to have someone else complete and sign the card for it to count towards your official handicap. I think this is supposed to be standard practice.
Same here

sxmwht

1,565 posts

59 months

Tuesday 7th June 2022
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rlg43p said:
Yes.

At our club, you have to have someone else complete and sign the card for it to count towards your official handicap. I think this is supposed to be standard practice.
I thought as much. How often do you get a card in? Do you play every week?

rlg43p

1,231 posts

249 months

Tuesday 7th June 2022
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sxmwht said:
rlg43p said:
Yes.

At our club, you have to have someone else complete and sign the card for it to count towards your official handicap. I think this is supposed to be standard practice.
I thought as much. How often do you get a card in? Do you play every week?
Twice a week in seniors' social and competition rounds. All rounds played are "qualifiers" and so cards are recorded on Intelligent Golf.

Only in winter, when winter tees shorten the holes to a large extent and preferred lies are in place, are the rounds not entered as qualifiers.

Rosscow

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8,773 posts

163 months

Wednesday 8th June 2022
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Rumours that DeChambeau and Reed have jumped ship to LIV Golf too!

I'm very interested in how this pans out, and can't blame the players for doing it. PGA and DP tours must be bricking it to be honest.