England cricket 2023 & 2024
Discussion
Kettmark said:
Totally agree but apart from Root, who did during the last test series?
Consistently? Not one of them. Root included.I sometimes rue other sports becoming as professional as they are as they can be monotonous to watch with the absolute consistency involved.
I wish English cricket could achieve half those standards!
One disadvantage England has against Australia, India, New Zealand and South Africa is that cricket and especially Test cricket just isn’t that popular over here. We don’t treat cricketers as celebrities apart from the odd individual like Botham or Flintoff. It isn’t a mainstream sport, there aren’t loads of kids playing it (although that is improving) and crucially it isn’t quite in the public consciousness, mainly because it isn’t available to watch on free to air television.
The other, which the West Indies really suffered with was the lack of interest in playing Test cricket, all the brightest and best players all want to play Hundred or T20, or possibly ODI. Look at all of England’s best and most exciting players only a handful are Test specialists. Very few new players are coming through.
The other, which the West Indies really suffered with was the lack of interest in playing Test cricket, all the brightest and best players all want to play Hundred or T20, or possibly ODI. Look at all of England’s best and most exciting players only a handful are Test specialists. Very few new players are coming through.
Newarch said:
One disadvantage England has against Australia, India, New Zealand and South Africa is that cricket and especially Test cricket just isn’t that popular over here. We don’t treat cricketers as celebrities apart from the odd individual like Botham or Flintoff. It isn’t a mainstream sport, there aren’t loads of kids playing it (although that is improving) and crucially it isn’t quite in the public consciousness, mainly because it isn’t available to watch on free to air television.
The other, which the West Indies really suffered with was the lack of interest in playing Test cricket, all the brightest and best players all want to play Hundred or T20, or possibly ODI. Look at all of England’s best and most exciting players only a handful are Test specialists. Very few new players are coming through.
That's about summed it up, especially the part about the lack of cricket on free-to-air tv.The other, which the West Indies really suffered with was the lack of interest in playing Test cricket, all the brightest and best players all want to play Hundred or T20, or possibly ODI. Look at all of England’s best and most exciting players only a handful are Test specialists. Very few new players are coming through.
My son got into cricket because he was captivated by the 2005 Ashes series, which was shown live on FTA tv, with highlights in the evenings. The whole nation was gripped, crowds gathered outside electrical showrooms which had tv sets in their windows showing the matches, score updates were given in Parliament. My son is now 25 and plays for two teams in local leagues, alongside several of his team-mates from his junior days. Cricket isn't taught in state schools as a priority sport, and young aspiring players all want to play white-ball limited over games, because that's where the money is, and they're more exciting.
Red-ball cricket requires commitment over several days, and the tv companies won't touch the County game because it's tedious and doesn't make for good tv, apart from the Ashes, and even then it's a tough watch, unless we're beating the Crims, which isn't likely to happen any time soon. So it's hard to engage youngsters with the game, and they are the future.
It's always puzzled me as to why the pick for captain is almost invariably the #1 batsman, particularly in Aus / England.
Captaincy and batting are two distinct skills, and why it's assumed that a good batter makes a good captain is a mystery to me.
Cummins is the first bowling captain Australia have had in a long time, but he's doing a good job.
So widen the field to more than just batsmen / keeper / all rounder.
He's too old now, but would Anderson have been a good captain?
Captaincy and batting are two distinct skills, and why it's assumed that a good batter makes a good captain is a mystery to me.
Cummins is the first bowling captain Australia have had in a long time, but he's doing a good job.
So widen the field to more than just batsmen / keeper / all rounder.
He's too old now, but would Anderson have been a good captain?
IME it`s difficult being captain when you are one of the front line bowlers.
You tend to either bowl yourself too much or too little and you never really get the chance to just run things in the field.
Top order batsmen can stand at first slip all day with the best view of what`s happening and getting info from the keeper to assist with bowling decisions.
IMO the skipper should be a top order bat or possibly the keeper.
I`ve seen suggestions that Stokes should be the next captain. No way would I go there, he`s got enough on his plate being the team all rounder.
Problem we have is that apart from Root we have no real established top order, as others have mentioned.
You tend to either bowl yourself too much or too little and you never really get the chance to just run things in the field.
Top order batsmen can stand at first slip all day with the best view of what`s happening and getting info from the keeper to assist with bowling decisions.
IMO the skipper should be a top order bat or possibly the keeper.
I`ve seen suggestions that Stokes should be the next captain. No way would I go there, he`s got enough on his plate being the team all rounder.
Problem we have is that apart from Root we have no real established top order, as others have mentioned.
You also want a captain who's always going to be available in every game. Bowlers get injured more often and spend more time off the field than non-bowlers typically do. Just look at how many games Stokes, Wood etc miss through injury. You'd need a second captain to cover for them half the time.
Hammer67 said:
IME it`s difficult being captain when you are one of the front line bowlers.
You tend to either bowl yourself too much or too little and you never really get the chance to just run things in the field.
Top order batsmen can stand at first slip all day with the best view of what`s happening and getting info from the keeper to assist with bowling decisions.
IMO the skipper should be a top order bat or possibly the keeper.
I`ve seen suggestions that Stokes should be the next captain. No way would I go there, he`s got enough on his plate being the team all rounder.
Problem we have is that apart from Root we have no real established top order, as others have mentioned.
There have been successful bowling captains for various countries, my favourite being NZ's "mad Dan" Vettori.You tend to either bowl yourself too much or too little and you never really get the chance to just run things in the field.
Top order batsmen can stand at first slip all day with the best view of what`s happening and getting info from the keeper to assist with bowling decisions.
IMO the skipper should be a top order bat or possibly the keeper.
I`ve seen suggestions that Stokes should be the next captain. No way would I go there, he`s got enough on his plate being the team all rounder.
Problem we have is that apart from Root we have no real established top order, as others have mentioned.
"Mad Dan" because he looked too nice and inoffensive to be a strike bowler.
AW111 said:
Hammer67 said:
IME it`s difficult being captain when you are one of the front line bowlers.
You tend to either bowl yourself too much or too little and you never really get the chance to just run things in the field.
Top order batsmen can stand at first slip all day with the best view of what`s happening and getting info from the keeper to assist with bowling decisions.
IMO the skipper should be a top order bat or possibly the keeper.
I`ve seen suggestions that Stokes should be the next captain. No way would I go there, he`s got enough on his plate being the team all rounder.
Problem we have is that apart from Root we have no real established top order, as others have mentioned.
There have been successful bowling captains for various countries, my favourite being NZ's "mad Dan" Vettori.You tend to either bowl yourself too much or too little and you never really get the chance to just run things in the field.
Top order batsmen can stand at first slip all day with the best view of what`s happening and getting info from the keeper to assist with bowling decisions.
IMO the skipper should be a top order bat or possibly the keeper.
I`ve seen suggestions that Stokes should be the next captain. No way would I go there, he`s got enough on his plate being the team all rounder.
Problem we have is that apart from Root we have no real established top order, as others have mentioned.
"Mad Dan" because he looked too nice and inoffensive to be a strike bowler.
A quick bowler is usually dispatched to fine leg between overs to have breather. If he's the skipper that isn't really possible and he has to stay in the mix. Not ideal.
Ben Stokes: England to name all-rounder as new Test captain to succeed Joe Root
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/61163496
Not sure it's the correct decision.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/61163496
Not sure it's the correct decision.
jbswagger said:
Ben Stokes: England to name all-rounder as new Test captain to succeed Joe Root
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/61163496
Not sure it's the correct decision.
I think it’s going to be his undoing as I don’t think he’s mentally strong enough to cope with the politics and eventual media pressure. Hope I’m proved wrong.https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/61163496
Not sure it's the correct decision.
Smollet said:
jbswagger said:
Ben Stokes: England to name all-rounder as new Test captain to succeed Joe Root
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/61163496
Not sure it's the correct decision.
I think it’s going to be his undoing as I don’t think he’s mentally strong enough to cope with the politics and eventual media pressure. Hope I’m proved wrong.https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/61163496
Not sure it's the correct decision.
I wish him well and hope he will prove to be a 'lucky' captain!
pequod said:
Smollet said:
jbswagger said:
Ben Stokes: England to name all-rounder as new Test captain to succeed Joe Root
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/61163496
Not sure it's the correct decision.
I think it’s going to be his undoing as I don’t think he’s mentally strong enough to cope with the politics and eventual media pressure. Hope I’m proved wrong.https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/61163496
Not sure it's the correct decision.
I wish him well and hope he will prove to be a 'lucky' captain!
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