The **BOXING** thread (Vol 4)
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fridaypassion said:
Franklin to beat AJ there you go I said it.
Franklin was totally robbed he convincingly won his last fight and I think he only needs to catch AJ and he's done. I really think he can do it but AJ will hopefully come out a new man not gun-shy AJ!
AJ knocks him out inside 6. When Dillian stopped fFranklin was totally robbed he convincingly won his last fight and I think he only needs to catch AJ and he's done. I really think he can do it but AJ will hopefully come out a new man not gun-shy AJ!
king about with whatever his new coach was trying to teach him, he had Franklin in trouble. I don't think he "convincingly" beat Whyte, either. It was a close fight that he was unfortunate not to get the nod in but 7-5 either way or 6-6 is a no complaints scorecard for me.
AJ gets far too much disrespect. He's comfortably the 3rd best HW around imo.
AJ is vulnerable though. One solid punch could have him wabbling.
I certainly have no disrespect for AJ I would love to see that raw come forward AJ of old make a come back.
Certainly as ever with AJ a far bigger risk than he ever needed to take. Franklin I think really did impress last time out and he's no pushover. Will be a great fight either way.
I certainly have no disrespect for AJ I would love to see that raw come forward AJ of old make a come back.
Certainly as ever with AJ a far bigger risk than he ever needed to take. Franklin I think really did impress last time out and he's no pushover. Will be a great fight either way.
Pugaris said:
biggbn said:
I really don't see that. Great movement, great feet, fast hands, brilliant, yes, brilliant boxing brain and a fantastic sense of spatial awareness. He can fight on the outside and the inside and has beaten every man he faced. AJ was a very good heavy, perhaps still is, but he was an 'a to b' fighter, did the basics very well but couldn't deviate fron that route once he'd set on down it. I still make him top four in the world but I'd take both Joyce and 'one trick' Wilder to beat him. I think we have agreed to disagree before but I feel exactly opposite to you, I think AJ has been very overated whilst Fury has even overlooked from a boxing point of view.
Edit, I've said this before, the AJ that lost to Usyk the second time gives ANY heavyweight a good run. His best ever performance
Agree with all of this completely (but also everything Tusc said about Wilder.)Edit, I've said this before, the AJ that lost to Usyk the second time gives ANY heavyweight a good run. His best ever performance
Edited by biggbn on Friday 17th March 19:04
If you dropped the current crop of HWs into any era, Usyk and Fury would be competitive with the very top guys, AJ and Wilder wouldn't be, though they'd still be fun top 10 additions.
AJ is an improved version of Bruno. Better gas tank and better at dealing with getting hurt but still has those two things as weaknesses to his game. Similar to Bruno in that he's a very good fundamentals boxer with heavy hands but AJ's bigger and his mid-range game is an improvement of Frank's.
Fury is a special fighter, no doubt. He's a very intelligent fighter and that shows in his decisions out of the ring as well, as soon as he a) realised the way to beat Wilder was to keep him on the backfoot based on his 12th round in the first fight and the Ortiz rematch after and b) that he doesn't quite have the speed and movement he once did he knew exactly which coach to bring in to train him. He also knocked Dillian Whyte out with the first uppercut he threw all night, perfectly baited and executed.
Usyk is special, too. Even moreso imo. His ability to adjust to his opponent is a level of ring intelligence I think is superior to even Fury's and his lateral movement is superb to watch. Some of the subtle things he did to distract AJ in their first fight were brilliant and his fight against Gassiev is the most perfectly executed 12 rounds of boxing I've seen since probably Calzaghe Vs Lacey.
This is a fight on a level of skill and ability we haven't seen in the HW division for 30 years imo. It's Lewis Vs Holyfield or Holyfield Vs Bowe type levels.
can't waitfridaypassion said:
AJ is vulnerable though. One solid punch could have him wabbling.
I certainly have no disrespect for AJ I would love to see that raw come forward AJ of old make a come back.
Certainly as ever with AJ a far bigger risk than he ever needed to take. Franklin I think really did impress last time out and he's no pushover. Will be a great fight either way.
For me, as much as I love his attitude Whyte is one of the moat overated fighters about. Chirst, many on here thought he'd be Fury's hardest task and many gave him a chance. A fighter like him is made for Fury, one paced, come forward, duck into their own punches. I have loved watching his wars with Chisora and even the back and forth with big Joe Parker but that's his level. I don't disrespect AJ either, great fighter, loads of bottle and cares much more about legacy than Fury ever will. Hope he comes back and wins a portion so win, lose or draw, him and Fury can be made. That would be an entertaining fight while it lastsI certainly have no disrespect for AJ I would love to see that raw come forward AJ of old make a come back.
Certainly as ever with AJ a far bigger risk than he ever needed to take. Franklin I think really did impress last time out and he's no pushover. Will be a great fight either way.
Edited by biggbn on Friday 17th March 21:41
fridaypassion said:
AJ is vulnerable though. One solid punch could have him wabbling.
I certainly have no disrespect for AJ I would love to see that raw come forward AJ of old make a come back.
Certainly as ever with AJ a far bigger risk than he ever needed to take. Franklin I think really did impress last time out and he's no pushover. Will be a great fight either way.
That one solid punch isn't coming from Franklin, he's not a power puncher and didn't hurt Whyte once, who's a lot chinnier than AJ.I certainly have no disrespect for AJ I would love to see that raw come forward AJ of old make a come back.
Certainly as ever with AJ a far bigger risk than he ever needed to take. Franklin I think really did impress last time out and he's no pushover. Will be a great fight either way.
Agree it's a decent fight, especially as it's not PPV. I just hate it's obviously to help build a fight with Whyte, which is a s
te fight for AJ after this one. biggbn said:
Is AJ a better boxer than Wilder? 100%, definitely. Does Wilder KO AJ? Yup, 100%. Styles make fights.
It's far from 100% - Fury battered Wilder from pillar to post until his corner threw the towel in after 7 rounds. AJ is perfectly capable of doing the same to someone with as bad a defence as Wilder.All you have to do to bear Wilder is be able to keep him on the backfoot and have the power to put him down and out. AJ has that. His jab is hard and he'll have no problem consistently finding Wilder's head with it and it'll hurt Wilder quickly (definitely quicker than Fury's jab can) and when AJ gets into mid-range, which he should be able to do easily with Wilder when his head is snapped back, there is nobody better.
Honestly think AJ steamrolls him 7 times out of 10. An old Ortiz very nearly had Wilder out in 9 rounds, AJ is better and hits harder.
Lee Jones Jnr said:
Like everyone on Earth
He's a bit more prone to getting buzzed than most of the top ten heavyweights. I'm not writing him off far from it but Franklin certainly could beat him. I'll stick a tenner on him although I would 100% be cheering AJ on. A return to form is much needed.Pugaris said:
biggbn said:
Is AJ a better boxer than Wilder? 100%, definitely. Does Wilder KO AJ? Yup, 100%. Styles make fights.
It's far from 100% - Fury battered Wilder from pillar to post until his corner threw the towel in after 7 rounds. AJ is perfectly capable of doing the same to someone with as bad a defence as Wilder.All you have to do to bear Wilder is be able to keep him on the backfoot and have the power to put him down and out. AJ has that. His jab is hard and he'll have no problem consistently finding Wilder's head with it and it'll hurt Wilder quickly (definitely quicker than Fury's jab can) and when AJ gets into mid-range, which he should be able to do easily with Wilder when his head is snapped back, there is nobody better.
Honestly think AJ steamrolls him 7 times out of 10. An old Ortiz very nearly had Wilder out in 9 rounds, AJ is better and hits harder.
Pugaris said:
Miller weighed in at 330lbs ??
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