The **BOXING** thread (Vol 4)

[tuscaneer]

carlo996 said:

boholoblanka said:

Nuts to legacy. its all about cashing in and making as much as you can and leave with your facilities in tact....

Look where you have parties bound by separate contracts and contractual terms you will never have a situation where the best fight the best. never have never will. plus 95% of the heads on the street dont care or dont know who he fights and only hope that the fight is decent,

I do agree, however there are some that are claiming that AJ has a legacy and that he’s somehow still most relevant in the heavyweight division, despite a poor recent record. He’ll have to take what he can, I expect the fight at the weekend to be a piece of piss followed by ‘I’m back’ etc. of course if he loses he’s finished.

i can't recall anyone saying he was the most relevant in the division, 2 losses to usyk have put him right back...

i think what a lot of people are alluding to is quality of resume... fury supporters put a lot of emphasis on him beating wlad and then beating wilder..

on the other side of the coin, people pulling for aj will say he had the bks to fight usyk and rematch him immediately as well (something fury ran from after his unexpected win against wlad)...and also the fact that wilder was never a good fighter to begin with

all i'll say is that joshua's last 2 fightswere against usyk.... fury's last 2 fights were against chisora (again!) and whyte...

[biggbn]

tuscaneer said:

i can't recall anyone saying he was the most relevant in the division, 2 losses to usyk have put him right back...

i think what a lot of people are alluding to is quality of resume... fury supporters put a lot of emphasis on him beating wlad and then beating wilder..

on the other side of the coin, people pulling for aj will say he had the bks to fight usyk and rematch him immediately as well (something fury ran from after his unexpected win against wlad)...and also the fact that wilder was never a good fighter to begin with

all i'll say is that joshua's last 2 fightswere against usyk.... fury's last 2 fights were against chisora (again!) and whyte...

Tusc, I've been giving a lot of thought to Wilder recently and I think he might actually be underrated. I remember being impressed with his basic boxing when he won the title against Stiverne, not a high yardstick I know, but he showed solid basics, boxed behind a decent jab and was defensively aware the whole fight, he knew this was his chance and did not waste it, boxing conservatively and prudently. Yes, his power is his get out of jail card but he must have the ability to get close enough to his opponents to unleash it, and he clearly does. Lastly, I really rate Fury and he caught him a few times. That says a lot about his speed and surprising ability. Others who don't rate Fury won't count this last one. I think Wilder beats AJ, all wrong for him. We have the potential for a round Robin of 'superfights' but I wonder if we will see any of them?

[Unreal]

Perceptions matter and right now I think the chief perception among fans is that Fury is behaving like a prick. Usyk is pretty universally respected and rated and I don't think more than a couple of diehards blame anyone other than Fury for the fight not happening.

I think AJ struggles against Fury and would be vulnerable against Wilder but that's two men out of the world's population. He remains a top fighter and my perception is that he is one that is willing to fight anyone. That's the opposite of Fury with his 'fighting man' cobblers and vile father mouthing off in the background.

Fury should be a national hero but I think most fans would like to see him beaten now.

[Yazza54]

biggbn said:

Yazza54 said:

fridaypassion said:

If AJ looses to Franklin then Fury AJ fight might get made. With Fury he will not risk his undefeated status that's what it's all about. How many volumes of this thread do you need to go back to see me saying Fury would never take Usyk?

An AJ loss might give Fury the confidence that the risk is worth taking. That will be the division tied up for 2 years again!

I love AJ I know he has his detractors but he took on Usyk which is commendable when you have everything to loose and not much to gain. Even this comeback fight I mean why pick someone who performed as well in his last fight as Franklin? AJ is a great fighter he is at least willing to fight the best so his legacy to meet is far greater than Fury's ever will be.

AJ took Usyk not knowing how good he really was. At that point at HW he had fought del boy and Bellew.. yes he showed heart to take the rematch but maybe it just showed moreso that he's a bit deluded about.how good he is... Backed up by his frankly embarrassing rant after the fight. AJ thought he was going to steamroller Usyk in the first fight and I think he felt like he had no choice but to fight him again as he might not get another chance.

Or, AJ took Usyk knowing EXACTLY how good he is, and deserves huge kudos for doing so?

Maybe, maybe not. I reckon AJ thought it was a sure thing the first time round and the second time he was pressured into it.

[tuscaneer]

biggbn said:

tuscaneer said:

i can't recall anyone saying he was the most relevant in the division, 2 losses to usyk have put him right back...

i think what a lot of people are alluding to is quality of resume... fury supporters put a lot of emphasis on him beating wlad and then beating wilder..

on the other side of the coin, people pulling for aj will say he had the bks to fight usyk and rematch him immediately as well (something fury ran from after his unexpected win against wlad)...and also the fact that wilder was never a good fighter to begin with

all i'll say is that joshua's last 2 fightswere against usyk.... fury's last 2 fights were against chisora (again!) and whyte...

Tusc, I've been giving a lot of thought to Wilder recently and I think he might actually be underrated. I remember being impressed with his basic boxing when he won the title against Stiverne, not a high yardstick I know, but he showed solid basics, boxed behind a decent jab and was defensively aware the whole fight, he knew this was his chance and did not waste it, boxing conservatively and prudently. Yes, his power is his get out of jail card but he must have the ability to get close enough to his opponents to unleash it, and he clearly does. Lastly, I really rate Fury and he caught him a few times. That says a lot about his speed and surprising ability. Others who don't rate Fury won't count this last one. I think Wilder beats AJ, all wrong for him. We have the potential for a round Robin of 'superfights' but I wonder if we will see any of them?

maybe i'm being a bit unkind to wilder but he's looked so wild and careless in so many fights...couple this with my memories in real time of him getting sparked by david haye with a jab or getting sent home from austria with birthday cake and a pat on the back in quick time during the same camp joshua got BATTERED in in the first few days but stayed resilient, kept getting up and kept coming back....


edited to add.... maybe it's the same with fury.... my real time memories ofhim go all theway back to the amateurs when pricey beat him..... consistently underwhelming until he caught wlad napping....now if that had been joshua in the opposite corner you have to ask youself would he have given wlad the rematch?? i think we know the answer..

Edited by tuscaneer on Monday 27th March 12:52

[biggbn]

tuscaneer said:

biggbn said:

tuscaneer said:

i can't recall anyone saying he was the most relevant in the division, 2 losses to usyk have put him right back...

i think what a lot of people are alluding to is quality of resume... fury supporters put a lot of emphasis on him beating wlad and then beating wilder..

on the other side of the coin, people pulling for aj will say he had the bks to fight usyk and rematch him immediately as well (something fury ran from after his unexpected win against wlad)...and also the fact that wilder was never a good fighter to begin with

all i'll say is that joshua's last 2 fightswere against usyk.... fury's last 2 fights were against chisora (again!) and whyte...

Tusc, I've been giving a lot of thought to Wilder recently and I think he might actually be underrated. I remember being impressed with his basic boxing when he won the title against Stiverne, not a high yardstick I know, but he showed solid basics, boxed behind a decent jab and was defensively aware the whole fight, he knew this was his chance and did not waste it, boxing conservatively and prudently. Yes, his power is his get out of jail card but he must have the ability to get close enough to his opponents to unleash it, and he clearly does. Lastly, I really rate Fury and he caught him a few times. That says a lot about his speed and surprising ability. Others who don't rate Fury won't count this last one. I think Wilder beats AJ, all wrong for him. We have the potential for a round Robin of 'superfights' but I wonder if we will see any of them?

maybe i'm being a bit unkind to wilder but he's looked so wild and careless in so many fights...couple this with my memories in real time of him getting sparked by david haye with a jab or getting sent home from austria with birthday cake and a pat on the back in quick time during the same camp joshua got BATTERED in in the first few days but stayed resilient, kept getting up and kept coming back....

Can't question AJ bottle man. For me he is the most overated of the big names but probably the most likeable and entertaining to watch!!

[tuscaneer]

Unreal said:

Perceptions matter and right now I think the chief perception among fans is that Fury is behaving like a prick. Usyk is pretty universally respected and rated and I don't think more than a couple of diehards blame anyone other than Fury for the fight not happening.

I think AJ struggles against Fury and would be vulnerable against Wilder but that's two men out of the world's population. He remains a top fighter and my perception is that he is one that is willing to fight anyone. That's the opposite of Fury with his 'fighting man' cobblers and vile father mouthing off in the background.

Fury should be a national hero but I think most fans would like to see him beaten now.

in a round robin i can't say i'd disagree strongly with that.... also, who do we think would be most/least likely to fight the others!

[tuscaneer]

biggbn said:

Can't question AJ bottle man. For me he is the most overated of the big names but probably the most likeable and entertaining to watch!!

bks of steel on the guy no doubt....i often think, of all the old time champions if they could look down on the current crop who would they most likely admire....you'd have to say usyk would be top of that tree!

[Unreal]

tuscaneer said:

Unreal said:

Perceptions matter and right now I think the chief perception among fans is that Fury is behaving like a prick. Usyk is pretty universally respected and rated and I don't think more than a couple of diehards blame anyone other than Fury for the fight not happening.

I think AJ struggles against Fury and would be vulnerable against Wilder but that's two men out of the world's population. He remains a top fighter and my perception is that he is one that is willing to fight anyone. That's the opposite of Fury with his 'fighting man' cobblers and vile father mouthing off in the background.

Fury should be a national hero but I think most fans would like to see him beaten now.

in a round robin i can't say i'd disagree strongly with that.... also, who do we think would be most/least likely to fight the others!

Usyk, AJ and Wilder would fight each other and Fury
Fury will duck Usyk and AJ but would fight Wilder again.

[MonkeyBusiness]

What a shame there can't be a 'super 6' competition for the top HW's.

[biggbn]

tuscaneer said:

biggbn said:

Can't question AJ bottle man. For me he is the most overated of the big names but probably the most likeable and entertaining to watch!!

bks of steel on the guy no doubt....i often think, of all the old time champions if they could look down on the current crop who would they most likely admire....you'd have to say usyk would be top of that tree!

Fury WOULD have been in that list up till after Wilder 2, but his shennanigans now would have the old timers shaking their heads. Ali, Foreman, Frazier, Norton all fought each other bit that was the Golden age for me. Hokyfield, Tyson and Lewis never fought when they shoukd have and Big Daddy Bowe filled the Fury role back then...but might have been the best lf them all? History repeating itself!

[tuscaneer]

biggbn said:

Fury WOULD have been in that list up till after Wilder 2, but his shennanigans now would have the old timers shaking their heads. Ali, Foreman, Frazier, Norton all fought each other bit that was the Golden age for me. Hokyfield, Tyson and Lewis never fought when they shoukd have and Big Daddy Bowe filled the Fury role back then...but might have been the best lf them all? History repeating itself!

for me fury's avoidance of the wlad rematch was the first and loudest alarm bell....

[tuscaneer]

Unreal said:

Usyk, AJ and Wilder would fight each other and Fury
Fury will duck Usyk and AJ but would fight Wilder again.

i'm not sure i could handle fury/wilder 4

[pitboard]

It would be best for boxing if the appalling Fury family had nothing more to do with the sport.

[carlo996]

pitboard said:

It would be best for boxing if the appalling Fury family had nothing more to do with the sport.

Do people really care about the personality and families of boxers…thought it was about the sport? Pick any boxer, I doubt you’d find a shrinking violet

[fridaypassion]

biggbn said:

Or, AJ took Usyk knowing EXACTLY how good he is, and deserves huge kudos for doing so?

If I a semi casual fan with 10% of the knowledge of a lot of you guys knew the outcome way before I'm sure AJ must have known Usyk was a proper fight. He can't have looked at Franklin and thought that will be a pushover either. There's something not right with him I don't think he's deluded he just likes a challenge! What even was the last fight he had that was a tune up? Had he even ever had one?

[carlo996]

fridaypassion said:

If I a semi casual fan with 10% of the knowledge of a lot of you guys knew the outcome way before I'm sure AJ must have known Usyk was a proper fight. He can't have looked at Franklin and thought that will be a pushover either. There's something not right with him I don't think he's deluded he just likes a challenge! What even was the last fight he had that was a tune up? Had he even ever had one?

You don’t think Franklin is a an easy fight?

[andburg]

carlo996 said:

fridaypassion said:

If I a semi casual fan with 10% of the knowledge of a lot of you guys knew the outcome way before I'm sure AJ must have known Usyk was a proper fight. He can't have looked at Franklin and thought that will be a pushover either. There's something not right with him I don't think he's deluded he just likes a challenge! What even was the last fight he had that was a tune up? Had he even ever had one?

You don’t think Franklin is a an easy fight?

Franklin could easily have been given the win against Whyte. On that basis no he’s definitely not easy for AJ who now has a huge target on his chin, the aura is gone meaning his opponents will be more confident.

[fridaypassion]

Franklin is not an easy fight. How he could be overlooked against his last performance.... Does anyone actually watch theese bouts?

[biggbn]

fridaypassion said:

Franklin is not an easy fight. How he could be overlooked against his last performance.... Does anyone actually watch theese bouts?

He looked good against Whyte, let's put some perspective on this. Whyte. I think Frankkin is decent don't get me wrong but Whyte isn't much of a bellwether