The **BOXING** thread (Vol 4)
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fridaypassion said:
I should have added in my previous post that Bivol won that fight rather Canelo losing it. A superb and completely controlled performance. I think my attention might have turned to seeing Bivol V Usyk at some point now!
As good as Bivol looked, and his game plan was superb, there was nothing there that Usyk would fear nor struggle to deal with.Lee Jones Jnr said:
F8Spiderman said:
As good as Bivol looked, and his game plan was superb, there was nothing there that Usyk would fear nor struggle to deal with.
Light heavy to heavy is a big jump. One big win over a smaller (albeit modern great) man isn’t enough to make a Usyk contest feasible yet.The only problem with the fight is that it wasn't that exciting (heresy, I know).
Before the fight I said Bivol might make it look like he was in a sparring session - how many times could Bivol have stepped up the pressure on Canelo? Instead, he nearly always backed off, waiting to see if Canelo was really hurt, so he didn't get caught making any silly mistakes - and that it what Bivol nearly always does against good opponents - safety first. It's part of the reason he is so effective, but also part of the reason why he doesn't have a bigger fan base imo.
Before the fight I said Bivol might make it look like he was in a sparring session - how many times could Bivol have stepped up the pressure on Canelo? Instead, he nearly always backed off, waiting to see if Canelo was really hurt, so he didn't get caught making any silly mistakes - and that it what Bivol nearly always does against good opponents - safety first. It's part of the reason he is so effective, but also part of the reason why he doesn't have a bigger fan base imo.
Lee Jones Jnr said:
I haven’t seen it yet but I’m lead to believe that the scorecards don’t tell the real tale of how one sided it was
I think one of the ringside guys scored it 117 - 111 and I think that was a great deal closer to reality than the judges scorecards.If you'd not known that Canelo was the P4P no. 1 going into that fight, you'd never had guessed it whilst watching it. Fair play to Canelo for taking on the challenge, but dare I say it, Bivol was just too good (and big) for him.
EddieSteadyGo said:
The only problem with the fight is that it wasn't that exciting (heresy, I know).
Before the fight I said Bivol might make it look like he was in a sparring session - how many times could Bivol have stepped up the pressure on Canelo? Instead, he nearly always backed off, waiting to see if Canelo was really hurt, so he didn't get caught making any silly mistakes - and that it what Bivol nearly always does against good opponents - safety first. It's part of the reason he is so effective, but also part of the reason why he doesn't have a bigger fan base imo.
Maybe yes, maybe no.Before the fight I said Bivol might make it look like he was in a sparring session - how many times could Bivol have stepped up the pressure on Canelo? Instead, he nearly always backed off, waiting to see if Canelo was really hurt, so he didn't get caught making any silly mistakes - and that it what Bivol nearly always does against good opponents - safety first. It's part of the reason he is so effective, but also part of the reason why he doesn't have a bigger fan base imo.
The woman beater was safety first once he left lightweight.
So what we have learnt is that Canelo can be competitive against good 175 pounders but at this stage cannot beat them. He looked slow and heavy in there and gassed mid way.
But he has changed his style before and made adjustments and could well do again so I would not write him off. The rematch is certainly more interesting to me than another fight with GGG.
But he has changed his style before and made adjustments and could well do again so I would not write him off. The rematch is certainly more interesting to me than another fight with GGG.
272BHP said:
So what we have learnt is that Canelo can be competitive against good 175 pounders but at this stage cannot beat them. He looked slow and heavy in there and gassed mid way.
But he has changed his style before and made adjustments and could well do again so I would not write him off. The rematch is certainly more interesting to me than another fight with GGG.
I know the talk post fight from Canelo is that the rematch is a nailed-on certainty, but I personally doubt it will happen. Bivol looked to be fighting within himself, he never looked troubled by Canelo's power, despite Canelo loading up hugely on many of his shots. But he has changed his style before and made adjustments and could well do again so I would not write him off. The rematch is certainly more interesting to me than another fight with GGG.
If Canelo is even more aggressive, he is open to even more counter shots. Bivol was also upsetting Canelo's balance with the jab, which will be hard to fix. And apart from a few upper-cuts, he didn't really get through Bivol's defence.
He could perhaps make more of an effort to tilt the judging, perhaps by finding judges who favour the type of style Canelo is inclined to use - that might help.
Can't believe Canelo lost a decision. I'd have bet on Bivol had I known that losing a decision was actually a possibility. Canelo was moving forwards most of the fight and backing Bivol into the ropes which the judges seem to like.
It was quite frustrating that Bivol wasn't maintaining his distance and keeping Canelo away with the jab. Also frustrating that Bivol didn't open up much and throw when Canelo was in front of him - although I guess that was the plan and he didn't want to play Canelo's game and get caught.
I'm glad to see the judges didn't screw Bivol although the scorecards were a lot closer than the pundits scored it.
It was quite frustrating that Bivol wasn't maintaining his distance and keeping Canelo away with the jab. Also frustrating that Bivol didn't open up much and throw when Canelo was in front of him - although I guess that was the plan and he didn't want to play Canelo's game and get caught.
I'm glad to see the judges didn't screw Bivol although the scorecards were a lot closer than the pundits scored it.
Unreal said:
Hubris. Weren't some saying he might take on Usyk. That would be hilarious. ...
It was completely ridiculous - I wonder if they were serious when suggesting if Usyk agreed to a catchweight of 201lb Canelo would take the fight. I don't think we will hear Canelo suggesting that idea again....Just watched the quick DAZN highlights on YouTube. Canelo looked very ordinary in front of Bivol. With him calling out Usyk and all this talk about 1lb above cruiser etc, think he may have overlooked Bivol.
There is a rematch clause but I hope it doesn’t happen. Beterbiev v Smith in just over a months time. Reports of Yarde fighting the winner. If Beterbiev overcomes Smith, I’d love him to take on Bivol.
There is a rematch clause but I hope it doesn’t happen. Beterbiev v Smith in just over a months time. Reports of Yarde fighting the winner. If Beterbiev overcomes Smith, I’d love him to take on Bivol.
EddieSteadyGo said:
Unreal said:
Hubris. Weren't some saying he might take on Usyk. That would be hilarious. ...
It was completely ridiculous - I wonder if they were serious when suggesting if Usyk agreed to a catchweight of 201lb Canelo would take the fight. I don't think we will hear Canelo suggesting that idea again....Only seen highlights, but Canelo looked frustrated, Bivols jab was superb and kept him at bay. Great fight from him, did not get overawed and fought his fight rather than trying to knock him out.
You can go up too high I guess, but he didn't look that massive, just shows that fighters know how to train and add weight!
You can go up too high I guess, but he didn't look that massive, just shows that fighters know how to train and add weight!
Excellent performance from start to finish from Bivol. Judges all gave Canelo a 4-0 headstart and he still managed to stop them robbing him. Incredible.
I'm going to Beterbiev Vs Smith Jr in June. If there's an undisputed fight after that, hopefully Bivol Vs Beterbiev, I'll go to that as well.
I know Canelo said he wanted the rematch but I can't see it happening. He and Eddy's hubris will have been shattered when they reflect and he'll stay away from 175 now.
I'm going to Beterbiev Vs Smith Jr in June. If there's an undisputed fight after that, hopefully Bivol Vs Beterbiev, I'll go to that as well.
I know Canelo said he wanted the rematch but I can't see it happening. He and Eddy's hubris will have been shattered when they reflect and he'll stay away from 175 now.
Part of the problem for Canelo was that Bivol was big enough to just take his power. Canelo was still moving Bivol with his punches I till don't think there's a Boxer that physically lifts and moves his opponents with punches in the same way Canelo does but Bivol was able to block most of it and take the rest. To be fair to Canelo I dont think he was in any way troubled by Bivols power either but Bivol just did the cleaner work and got a classic points win. A KO is always exciting but I sometimes prefer the chess matches I think in the first 5/6 rounds that's what this was.
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