The **BOXING** thread (Vol 4)

[ThisInJapanese]

Lee Jones Jnr said:

Whyte will box him I imagine

I hope so, that will make for a fun fight.

[fridaypassion]

Jon-f1zhn said:

Joyce is the hardest done to fighter in the world. Time is desperately slipping away from him and I think he's easily top 3 if he ever get s the chance to fecking fight!

This was me posting btw logged in on my trade account!

Come on Joe!

[CoolHands]

Ex boxer Julius Francis lays out trouble maker with one punch. Will delete if not appropriate for this thread. (Actual occurrence is in last 15 or 20 secs of vid)

https://mobile.twitter.com/MichaelBensonn/status/1...

Edited by CoolHands on Tuesday 14th June 09:55

[pincher]

Entirely unnecessary - he'll be in a spot of bother for that I suspect. Not to mention probably out of a job.

[rastapasta]

pincher said:

Entirely unnecessary - he'll be in a spot of bother for that I suspect. Not to mention probably out of a job.

I did think that the danger had past. Also a judge may take a dim view of his actions, behavior of the 'victim' notwithstanding, considering who Francis is and his skill etc.

[CoolHands]

The bloke did approach him aggressively though and started to raise his arm. I thought in the split second you might indeed react.

[andburg]

pincher said:

Entirely unnecessary - he'll be in a spot of bother for that I suspect. Not to mention probably out of a job.

agreed

had the little made an obvious attack, then he should have been restrained....punching him on the jaw is not a method of restraint

[ThisInJapanese]

CoolHands said:

Ex boxer Julius Francis lays out trouble maker with one punch. Will delete if not appropriate for this thread. (Actual occurrence is in last 15 or 20 secs of vid)

https://mobile.twitter.com/MichaelBensonn/status/1...

Edited by CoolHands on Tuesday 14th June 09:55

I've never heard of him, turns out that he fought Tyson during his comeback. The card looked quite good that evening! https://boxrec.com/en/event/16659

[pincher]

I may well be wrong but that still looks like BandanaMan is pointing at Francis, not making a move to punch him.

In any case, surely the role of Security is to defuse a situation rather than inflame it? Self-defence is no argument here, given that nothing had actually been done to warrant a need to defend himself?


I'll be surprised in the police don't take a look at it given it's all over social media - it's an OTT reaction to a mouthy scrote giving it large.

Edited by pincher on Tuesday 14th June 13:31

[ThisInJapanese]

He looked like he intentionally took him away from the premises before he took action.

[g4ry13]

He's going to have a fun time trying to claim self-defence when throwing the first punch in that interaction. Also i'm sceptical punching people is part of the training which they're given.

Looks to me like he decided it would be a good opportunity to get the boxing skills out from the glory days and shut the guy up / neutralise the situation as well in the process.

[pincher]

MrBogSmith said:

ttps://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/self-defence-and-prevention-crime will offer some legal insight in self-defence. It's a perfectly valid justification here.

I can't see him having any legal issues if he says what he needs to for an account (if he even needs to).

Not got time right now to read all that but a couple of early observations;

CPS said:

Self-defence is available as a defence to crimes committed by use of force.

Not sure that BandanaMan committed any crime(s)?

CPS said:

The basic principles of self-defence are set out in Palmer v R, [1971] AC 814; approved in R v McInnes, 55 Cr App R 551:

"It is both good law and good sense that a man who is attacked may defend himself. It is both good law and good sense that he may do, but only do, what is reasonably necessary."

The common law approach as expressed in Palmer v R is also relevant to the application of section 3 Criminal Law Act 1967:

"A person may use such force as is reasonable in the circumstances in the prevention of crime, or in effecting or assisting in the lawful arrest of offenders or suspected offenders or of persons unlawfully at large."

Wouldn't say that what Francis did was 'reasonably necessary' in this instance, nor do I think that reasonable force was employed. He is twice the size of the other guy and could easily of restrained him - one would assume that he has had training to deal with such a situation. He didn't make any attempt to de-escalate - just went straight for the KO.

As I say, I haven't got time to read the whole thing and I am just a layman with no legal experience, so could well be very wide of the mark on this.

[pincher]

MrBogSmith said:

pincher said:

Not sure that BandanaMan committed any crime(s)?

It means it's a defence available to Francis for a crime Francis may have committed, not BandanaMan.

GPWM - might help if I could read properly!

[originals]

Insult people who can handle themselves and it can end badly.

Who knew?!?

[the-norseman]

I was actually at Box park a few weeks ago and found all the security staff really pleasant, I vaguely remember Francis but only because of the size of him. Hadn't a clue who he was.

[Lee Jones Jnr]

There will be no repercussions from this.
As has been said, the other person doesn’t need to throw a punch for an act to be self defence.
The most surprising thing about the video is how quick Julius moves, he had slowed right down by the time he retired.

[EddieSteadyGo]

Lee Jones Jnr said:

...
The most surprising thing about the video is how quick Julius moves, he had slowed right down by the time he retired.

And the most frustrating was that the gobby bald guy didn't get chinned too.

[the-norseman]

EddieSteadyGo said:

And the most frustrating was that the gobby bald guy didn't get chinned too.

Yes

[Welshbeef]

Tyson Fury U turn discuss

[272BHP]

Welshbeef said:

Tyson Fury U turn discuss

Have you posted your password by mistake?