The **BOXING** thread (Vol 4)
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EddieSteadyGo said:
272BHP said:
Complete destruction from start to finish. Really need to see him fight Bivol now.
But if I was Bivol, I think I might wait for Canelo, or take an easier fight in the interim (maybe Buatsi, Yarde or Johnson), and then Canelo, and take Beterbiev after that.Beterbiev v Bivol for undisputed needs to happen
Given that this is prize fighting it makes sense for Bivol to try and get the money making return match with Canelo.
This also has the benefit of making Beterbiev another year older.
It would be a damn shame for boxing fans if it is not the Bivol v Beterbiev fight that happens next though.
This also has the benefit of making Beterbiev another year older.
It would be a damn shame for boxing fans if it is not the Bivol v Beterbiev fight that happens next though.
272BHP said:
Given that this is prize fighting it makes sense for Bivol to try and get the money making return match with Canelo.
This also has the benefit of making Beterbiev another year older.
It would be a damn shame for boxing fans if it is not the Bivol v Beterbiev fight that happens next though.
I'm not convinced the fight will happen. I saw nothing to make me think Canelo has the tools to beat Bivol and Bivol is improving whereas Canelo is not. I suspect Canelo may come to the same conclusion despite the current bravado.This also has the benefit of making Beterbiev another year older.
It would be a damn shame for boxing fans if it is not the Bivol v Beterbiev fight that happens next though.
What will really put the cat among the pigeons is a defeat at the hands of Golovkin. Where will that leave the legacy. From 'unbeatable' P4P king to successive defeats against a huge underdog and a 40 year old GGG.
Canelo won't fight Bivol again. He's not going to come up from 168 unless there's an easy Cherry-Pick available.
It's absolutely infuriating we're probably about to get Beterbiev Vs Yarde and Bivol Vs Buatsi because Arum and Hearn don't like each other.
Nobody benefits from that, not even the promoters involved. Yarde Vs Buatsi is an absolutely massive domestic fight that makes each fighter a lot more money than they'll get in the aforementioned world title fights and one of them will actually win.
For Beterbiev and Bivol, you'd hope an undisputed clash in Vegas would net them more money than they can get from the British crowd supporting Yarde/Buatsi.
It's absolutely infuriating we're probably about to get Beterbiev Vs Yarde and Bivol Vs Buatsi because Arum and Hearn don't like each other.
Nobody benefits from that, not even the promoters involved. Yarde Vs Buatsi is an absolutely massive domestic fight that makes each fighter a lot more money than they'll get in the aforementioned world title fights and one of them will actually win.
For Beterbiev and Bivol, you'd hope an undisputed clash in Vegas would net them more money than they can get from the British crowd supporting Yarde/Buatsi.
Pugaris said:
Canelo won't fight Bivol again. He's not going to come up from 168 unless there's an easy Cherry-Pick available.
It's absolutely infuriating we're probably about to get Beterbiev Vs Yarde and Bivol Vs Buatsi because Arum and Hearn don't like each other.
Nobody benefits from that, not even the promoters involved. Yarde Vs Buatsi is an absolutely massive domestic fight that makes each fighter a lot more money than they'll get in the aforementioned world title fights and one of them will actually win.
For Beterbiev and Bivol, you'd hope an undisputed clash in Vegas would net them more money than they can get from the British crowd supporting Yarde/Buatsi.
Yarde v Buatsi and Beterbiev v Bivol will still be there afterwards. The BvB money will be more, the YvB money will be around the sameIt's absolutely infuriating we're probably about to get Beterbiev Vs Yarde and Bivol Vs Buatsi because Arum and Hearn don't like each other.
Nobody benefits from that, not even the promoters involved. Yarde Vs Buatsi is an absolutely massive domestic fight that makes each fighter a lot more money than they'll get in the aforementioned world title fights and one of them will actually win.
For Beterbiev and Bivol, you'd hope an undisputed clash in Vegas would net them more money than they can get from the British crowd supporting Yarde/Buatsi.
Lee Jones Jnr said:
Yarde v Buatsi and Beterbiev v Bivol will still be there afterwards. The BvB money will be more, the YvB money will be around the same
The total purse size of Beterbiev Vs Browne was $1.1m, Bivol Vs Richards was similar (£800k). They are not big draws, I can't see how the money will be more than for a fight between the 2 most popular British light heavyweights. Those fights might be there afterwards but the reason they aren't happening is promoters not wanting to work with one another and that'll still be true in a year.
Pugaris said:
The total purse size of Beterbiev Vs Browne was $1.1m, Bivol Vs Richards was similar (£800k). They are not big draws, I can't see how the money will be more than for a fight between the 2 most popular British light heavyweights.
Those fights might be there afterwards but the reason they aren't happening is promoters not wanting to work with one another and that'll still be true in a year.
I must be misunderstanding what you are saying.Those fights might be there afterwards but the reason they aren't happening is promoters not wanting to work with one another and that'll still be true in a year.
You don’t see how Bivol v Beterbiev would be more than Yarde v Buatsi?
Pugaris said:
Lee Jones Jnr said:
Yarde v Buatsi and Beterbiev v Bivol will still be there afterwards. The BvB money will be more, the YvB money will be around the same
The total purse size of Beterbiev Vs Browne was $1.1m, Bivol Vs Richards was similar (£800k). They are not big draws, I can't see how the money will be more than for a fight between the 2 most popular British light heavyweights. Those fights might be there afterwards but the reason they aren't happening is promoters not wanting to work with one another and that'll still be true in a year.
If he fights Yarde in London then it probably will be a BT Sport PPV event. Beterbiev has firmly put his name down as a big star of boxing.
Explosive KO's? Guaranteed action? Violence in both fists? Yes please.
It pops up on my Facebook all the time, some variation on Mike Tyson talking about how he would break the gloves in the dressing room and move the padding from the knuckle of the glove so that he could do more damage.
This is always posted in a celebratory way.
Whilst less severe, it’s not a million miles away from Margaritos prick tactics.
Do people think that Tyson doing this was fine?
This is always posted in a celebratory way.
Whilst less severe, it’s not a million miles away from Margaritos prick tactics.
Do people think that Tyson doing this was fine?
Lee Jones Jnr said:
I must be misunderstanding what you are saying.
You don’t see how Bivol v Beterbiev would be more than Yarde v Buatsi?
I'm saying Buatsi Vs Yarde makes both of those fighters more money than they'd make fighting Bivol and Beterbiev respectively. Not that Yarde Vs Buatsi is bigger than Bivol Vs Beterbiev.You don’t see how Bivol v Beterbiev would be more than Yarde v Buatsi?
All of the 4 make more money with Buatsi Vs Yarde and Beterbiev Vs Bivol than any other combination.
I guess the major spanner in the works, though is that Canelo is still saying he'll take his rematch next year. In that case, it makes the most financial sense to Bivol to avoid Beterbiev until that fight is either made or Canelo turns it down because if he loses to Beterbiev he loses a massive Canelo payday. Similarly Matchroom will want Bivol's next fight to be with an in-house name so that the Canelo fight transfers to them should Bivol lose.
Edited by Pugaris on Monday 20th June 20:26
Schermerhorn said:
Beterbiev is a MUCH bigger name on. He's literally the monster of boxing and I would be surprised if his next fight is not PPV.
If he fights Yarde in London then it probably will be a BT Sport PPV event. Beterbiev has firmly put his name down as a big star of boxing.
Explosive KO's? Guaranteed action? Violence in both fists? Yes please.
I love Beterbiev but 2 fights ago I paid £100 for great seats to watch him fight at a stadium in Montreal at 20% capacity. He isn't a draw to casual boxing fans. Buatsi, a British Olympian, Vs Yarde has more casual appeal. If he fights Yarde in London then it probably will be a BT Sport PPV event. Beterbiev has firmly put his name down as a big star of boxing.
Explosive KO's? Guaranteed action? Violence in both fists? Yes please.
Really looking forward to the rematch.
It will be interesting to see how AJ has changed his style compared with the first fight.
I don’t think Usyk has to plan or have much of a strategy as he has such a great boxing brain that he just adapts to what is in front of him on the fly.
Usyk kept himself covered up so we couldn’t see his physique, reports that he has bulked up but you never know he may have gone the other way?
It will be interesting to see how AJ has changed his style compared with the first fight.
I don’t think Usyk has to plan or have much of a strategy as he has such a great boxing brain that he just adapts to what is in front of him on the fly.
Usyk kept himself covered up so we couldn’t see his physique, reports that he has bulked up but you never know he may have gone the other way?
Really think AJ only chance is to be mega aggressive and try to bull and boss his way to a KO early...but the chances of that are very small I think. He can't outbox Usyk, can't win on points and maybe can't do 12 at a pace himself. A cultured bombs away seems the only chance he has?
biggbn said:
Really think AJ only chance is to be mega aggressive and try to bull and boss his way to a KO early...but the chances of that are very small I think. He can't outbox Usyk, can't win on points and maybe can't do 12 at a pace himself. A cultured bombs away seems the only chance he has?
I think you are pretty much spot on there.Gassing Station | Sports | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff