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bodhi said:
If your PW is @ 44 degrees then the way I'd look to go is 48 / 52 / 56. The 56 will be around where your current SW is, and can make for a very versatile club. I carry a 60 occasionally, but never end up playing anything I couldn't do with an open 56. Seve did all of his magic with a 56, which bears thinking about.
If there is a Stealth AW I would be tempted to seek one out for the 48 spot, then get speciality wedges for the 52 and 56. I'd expect the bulk of shots with the 48 to be full swings, so best keeping it close to the rest of your irons.
Brands I would say is entirely subjective - I use a mix of Nike (52) and TaylorMade (56/60), some swear by Vokeys, Cleveland seem to perform well for the price.
There is a Stealth AW at 49. More specs down the bottom here: https://www.taylormadegolf.co.uk/Stealth-Irons/DW-...If there is a Stealth AW I would be tempted to seek one out for the 48 spot, then get speciality wedges for the 52 and 56. I'd expect the bulk of shots with the 48 to be full swings, so best keeping it close to the rest of your irons.
Brands I would say is entirely subjective - I use a mix of Nike (52) and TaylorMade (56/60), some swear by Vokeys, Cleveland seem to perform well for the price.
strike4A said:
bodhi said:
If your PW is @ 44 degrees then the way I'd look to go is 48 / 52 / 56. The 56 will be around where your current SW is, and can make for a very versatile club. I carry a 60 occasionally, but never end up playing anything I couldn't do with an open 56. Seve did all of his magic with a 56, which bears thinking about.
If there is a Stealth AW I would be tempted to seek one out for the 48 spot, then get speciality wedges for the 52 and 56. I'd expect the bulk of shots with the 48 to be full swings, so best keeping it close to the rest of your irons.
Brands I would say is entirely subjective - I use a mix of Nike (52) and TaylorMade (56/60), some swear by Vokeys, Cleveland seem to perform well for the price.
There is a Stealth AW at 49. More specs down the bottom here: https://www.taylormadegolf.co.uk/Stealth-Irons/DW-...If there is a Stealth AW I would be tempted to seek one out for the 48 spot, then get speciality wedges for the 52 and 56. I'd expect the bulk of shots with the 48 to be full swings, so best keeping it close to the rest of your irons.
Brands I would say is entirely subjective - I use a mix of Nike (52) and TaylorMade (56/60), some swear by Vokeys, Cleveland seem to perform well for the price.
Had my latest lesson this morning, found it very interesting. The new coach I've been working with identified a couple of issues that are causing my crippling inconsistency - posture, swing path and impact position. However rather than previous coaches, he's only given me on thing to work on each lesson, then next visit we do the next piece. I've gained some pretty useful drills and a much better understanding of how my swing works - or doesn't at times.
Anyway today was impact position. When looking at my swing he said I was in the perfect position for about 95% of it, but as soon as I got to impact I start "flicking" the club like I'm swinging a squash racket.
So the latest drill I have is to address the club as usual, then get into the ideal impact position - so legs left slightly and rotated, and the club a lot more closed than I'm used to. Then flick back to address position, and try to hit a little punch. As that starts working gradually increase the length of the swing.
All I can say is after doing that my ballstriking was on a different level - none of the thins and fats I'd been struggling with, just solid contact each time. The odd flick did come back on longer swings, I just need "QUIET HANDS" to be my swing thought.
From memory a couple on this thread were struggling with similar contacts - worth trying imo.
Anyway today was impact position. When looking at my swing he said I was in the perfect position for about 95% of it, but as soon as I got to impact I start "flicking" the club like I'm swinging a squash racket.
So the latest drill I have is to address the club as usual, then get into the ideal impact position - so legs left slightly and rotated, and the club a lot more closed than I'm used to. Then flick back to address position, and try to hit a little punch. As that starts working gradually increase the length of the swing.
All I can say is after doing that my ballstriking was on a different level - none of the thins and fats I'd been struggling with, just solid contact each time. The odd flick did come back on longer swings, I just need "QUIET HANDS" to be my swing thought.
From memory a couple on this thread were struggling with similar contacts - worth trying imo.
Sounds good.
I really need some lessons but more around putting, although I do feel that 90% of my putting issues are confidence related (or a lack of..) played last week and putting was poor on the front 9, but holed a good one on 9 for par and then putted really well on the back 9, no 3 putts and every 2nd putt was a tap in.
I really need some lessons but more around putting, although I do feel that 90% of my putting issues are confidence related (or a lack of..) played last week and putting was poor on the front 9, but holed a good one on 9 for par and then putted really well on the back 9, no 3 putts and every 2nd putt was a tap in.
RayDonovan said:
Sounds good.
I really need some lessons but more around putting, although I do feel that 90% of my putting issues are confidence related (or a lack of..) played last week and putting was poor on the front 9, but holed a good one on 9 for par and then putted really well on the back 9, no 3 putts and every 2nd putt was a tap in.
If it's a confidence thing rather than technical, I'd highly recommend one of Bob Rotellas books. There is a dedicated putting one which I haven't read, but he touches on it enough in Golf is not a Game of Perfect and The Unstoppable Golfer to get a good idea. I really need some lessons but more around putting, although I do feel that 90% of my putting issues are confidence related (or a lack of..) played last week and putting was poor on the front 9, but holed a good one on 9 for par and then putted really well on the back 9, no 3 putts and every 2nd putt was a tap in.
It's all around "going unconscious", which is actually easier than it sounds. It's more about picking a spot and aiming for that, rather than worrying about the technical stuff.
bodhi said:
RayDonovan said:
Sounds good.
I really need some lessons but more around putting, although I do feel that 90% of my putting issues are confidence related (or a lack of..) played last week and putting was poor on the front 9, but holed a good one on 9 for par and then putted really well on the back 9, no 3 putts and every 2nd putt was a tap in.
If it's a confidence thing rather than technical, I'd highly recommend one of Bob Rotellas books. There is a dedicated putting one which I haven't read, but he touches on it enough in Golf is not a Game of Perfect and The Unstoppable Golfer to get a good idea. I really need some lessons but more around putting, although I do feel that 90% of my putting issues are confidence related (or a lack of..) played last week and putting was poor on the front 9, but holed a good one on 9 for par and then putted really well on the back 9, no 3 putts and every 2nd putt was a tap in.
It's all around "going unconscious", which is actually easier than it sounds. It's more about picking a spot and aiming for that, rather than worrying about the technical stuff.
-1.09 - Tee shots
+0.62 - Approach shots
+1.41 - Short game
-3.66 - Putting
Appreciate there's quite a bit of data within the calculations, but quite clear to see what i could potentialy shoot if I start to hole a few...
RayDonovan said:
Cheers, i'm half-way through the "Golf is not a game of perfect" and there's some really good insights. Completely get the theory too, just need to put it into practise. According to ShotScope, against a scratch player i'm losing/gaining on strokes gained
-1.09 - Tee shots
+0.62 - Approach shots
+1.41 - Short game
-3.66 - Putting
Appreciate there's quite a bit of data within the calculations, but quite clear to see what i could potentialy shoot if I start to hole a few...
Without wanting to (intentionally) sound like a tosser - your problem is obvious, as in its on the green. This might sound like a facetious question, but hear me out - have you ever played after a beer or two? And if so how was your putting? -1.09 - Tee shots
+0.62 - Approach shots
+1.41 - Short game
-3.66 - Putting
Appreciate there's quite a bit of data within the calculations, but quite clear to see what i could potentialy shoot if I start to hole a few...
Just asking as most of my issues on the course come from the head getting in the way, and having a beer is a great way to stop that. Obviously not a sustainable way to play golf, but might show weather the issues you are seeing are technical or mental?
bodhi said:
RayDonovan said:
Cheers, i'm half-way through the "Golf is not a game of perfect" and there's some really good insights. Completely get the theory too, just need to put it into practise. According to ShotScope, against a scratch player i'm losing/gaining on strokes gained
-1.09 - Tee shots
+0.62 - Approach shots
+1.41 - Short game
-3.66 - Putting
Appreciate there's quite a bit of data within the calculations, but quite clear to see what i could potentialy shoot if I start to hole a few...
Without wanting to (intentionally) sound like a tosser - your problem is obvious, as in its on the green. This might sound like a facetious question, but hear me out - have you ever played after a beer or two? And if so how was your putting? -1.09 - Tee shots
+0.62 - Approach shots
+1.41 - Short game
-3.66 - Putting
Appreciate there's quite a bit of data within the calculations, but quite clear to see what i could potentialy shoot if I start to hole a few...
Just asking as most of my issues on the course come from the head getting in the way, and having a beer is a great way to stop that. Obviously not a sustainable way to play golf, but might show weather the issues you are seeing are technical or mental?
I'm going to really work on the mental side this year as I know what benefit it'll deliver for me, especially on the greens.
I've played with numerous people who've all said 'you'd be dangerous if you could putt'
Previous lessons have suggested no fundamental technical issues so it's all in the head.
When I played a month or so back, I shot a 37 front 9 and missed 4 good birdie opps which is ridiculous really
Best thing I did last year was have a 30 mins lesson on putting.
It's simplified my stroke and I've seen more and more putts go in to trust it under pressure, and its nice as I've got birdies and par saves if short game is muffed up.
Makes me laugh when I see people buying new putters to solve problems.
It's simplified my stroke and I've seen more and more putts go in to trust it under pressure, and its nice as I've got birdies and par saves if short game is muffed up.
Makes me laugh when I see people buying new putters to solve problems.
RayDonovan said:
Ha, all taken in the correct spirit - no issues! I'm tee-total so the beer option is off the cards, sadly.
I'm going to really work on the mental side this year as I know what benefit it'll deliver for me, especially on the greens.
I've played with numerous people who've all said 'you'd be dangerous if you could putt'
Previous lessons have suggested no fundamental technical issues so it's all in the head.
When I played a month or so back, I shot a 37 front 9 and missed 4 good birdie opps which is ridiculous really
Have you been fit for the putter? I’m 6ft 2 and always played a 34inch putter. Found a Odyssey Versa putter on eBay but it’s 32inch. Initially felt too short but I have never putted better. I feel like I’m slightly more over the ball, and the weight of the putter just feels right. I'm going to really work on the mental side this year as I know what benefit it'll deliver for me, especially on the greens.
I've played with numerous people who've all said 'you'd be dangerous if you could putt'
Previous lessons have suggested no fundamental technical issues so it's all in the head.
When I played a month or so back, I shot a 37 front 9 and missed 4 good birdie opps which is ridiculous really
Challo said:
RayDonovan said:
Ha, all taken in the correct spirit - no issues! I'm tee-total so the beer option is off the cards, sadly.
I'm going to really work on the mental side this year as I know what benefit it'll deliver for me, especially on the greens.
I've played with numerous people who've all said 'you'd be dangerous if you could putt'
Previous lessons have suggested no fundamental technical issues so it's all in the head.
When I played a month or so back, I shot a 37 front 9 and missed 4 good birdie opps which is ridiculous really
Have you been fit for the putter? I’m 6ft 2 and always played a 34inch putter. Found a Odyssey Versa putter on eBay but it’s 32inch. Initially felt too short but I have never putted better. I feel like I’m slightly more over the ball, and the weight of the putter just feels right. I'm going to really work on the mental side this year as I know what benefit it'll deliver for me, especially on the greens.
I've played with numerous people who've all said 'you'd be dangerous if you could putt'
Previous lessons have suggested no fundamental technical issues so it's all in the head.
When I played a month or so back, I shot a 37 front 9 and missed 4 good birdie opps which is ridiculous really
RayDonovan said:
Ha, all taken in the correct spirit - no issues! I'm tee-total so the beer option is off the cards, sadly.
I'm going to really work on the mental side this year as I know what benefit it'll deliver for me, especially on the greens.
I've played with numerous people who've all said 'you'd be dangerous if you could putt'
Previous lessons have suggested no fundamental technical issues so it's all in the head.
When I played a month or so back, I shot a 37 front 9 and missed 4 good birdie opps which is ridiculous really
What's wrong with your putting?I'm going to really work on the mental side this year as I know what benefit it'll deliver for me, especially on the greens.
I've played with numerous people who've all said 'you'd be dangerous if you could putt'
Previous lessons have suggested no fundamental technical issues so it's all in the head.
When I played a month or so back, I shot a 37 front 9 and missed 4 good birdie opps which is ridiculous really
Are you leaving long putts too far from the hole or missing lots of 4 footers?
AndrewT1275 said:
RayDonovan said:
Ha, all taken in the correct spirit - no issues! I'm tee-total so the beer option is off the cards, sadly.
I'm going to really work on the mental side this year as I know what benefit it'll deliver for me, especially on the greens.
I've played with numerous people who've all said 'you'd be dangerous if you could putt'
Previous lessons have suggested no fundamental technical issues so it's all in the head.
When I played a month or so back, I shot a 37 front 9 and missed 4 good birdie opps which is ridiculous really
What's wrong with your putting?I'm going to really work on the mental side this year as I know what benefit it'll deliver for me, especially on the greens.
I've played with numerous people who've all said 'you'd be dangerous if you could putt'
Previous lessons have suggested no fundamental technical issues so it's all in the head.
When I played a month or so back, I shot a 37 front 9 and missed 4 good birdie opps which is ridiculous really
Are you leaving long putts too far from the hole or missing lots of 4 footers?
Long distance is OK, but it's more about making my 'fair share' of 3-10ft putts for birdie. Played today, and..
2nd - miss for par (8ft)
4th - miss for par (10ft)
5ft - miss for birdie (7ft)
12th - miss for par (10ft)
14th - miss for birdie (7ft)
17th - lipped out for birdie (10ft)
18th - holed from 8ft - birdie
I'm still shooting around +3/+4 gross but the scores can be much better. I'm not expecting to hole everything I see, but a few more per round will really make a difference.
Much to work on for the summer but I did hole some nice ones today and the putt on 18 was tricky so that was nice to finish..
That's why I said nice stats, they suggest a very solid, brilliant even, golf game tee to green!
From a mental perspective, you have to consider yourself a great putter, even if untrue, and look forward to every putt.
Amazed they're allowing trollies with the amount of mud you're picking up there!
From a mental perspective, you have to consider yourself a great putter, even if untrue, and look forward to every putt.
Amazed they're allowing trollies with the amount of mud you're picking up there!
DuncanM said:
That's why I said nice stats, they suggest a very solid, brilliant even, golf game tee to green!
From a mental perspective, you have to consider yourself a great putter, even if untrue, and look forward to every putt.
Amazed they're allowing trollies with the amount of mud you're picking up there!
Agree. Silly thing is, I get more confident the deeper into the round I get. Lipped out on #17 for birdie and then holed a tricky one on 18 for birdie.From a mental perspective, you have to consider yourself a great putter, even if untrue, and look forward to every putt.
Amazed they're allowing trollies with the amount of mud you're picking up there!
On our front 9, in all fairness, the greens are tough. Only #8 & #9 have flat surfaces. Back 9 there are a few more flat surfaces. Get out of position on the green and you're dead.
Our members win lots of inter-club and league matches as if you can putt well at home, away matches are generally easy if the greens are relatively flat.
RayDonovan said:
This is like therapy
Long distance is OK, but it's more about making my 'fair share' of 3-10ft putts for birdie. Played today, and..
2nd - miss for par (8ft)
4th - miss for par (10ft)
5ft - miss for birdie (7ft)
12th - miss for par (10ft)
14th - miss for birdie (7ft)
17th - lipped out for birdie (10ft)
18th - holed from 8ft - birdie
I'm still shooting around +3/+4 gross but the scores can be much better. I'm not expecting to hole everything I see, but a few more per round will really make a difference.
Much to work on for the summer but I did hole some nice ones today and the putt on 18 was tricky so that was nice to finish..
I assume all those 7-10 footers are first putts, i.e. you aren't leaving your long putts that far from the hole?Long distance is OK, but it's more about making my 'fair share' of 3-10ft putts for birdie. Played today, and..
2nd - miss for par (8ft)
4th - miss for par (10ft)
5ft - miss for birdie (7ft)
12th - miss for par (10ft)
14th - miss for birdie (7ft)
17th - lipped out for birdie (10ft)
18th - holed from 8ft - birdie
I'm still shooting around +3/+4 gross but the scores can be much better. I'm not expecting to hole everything I see, but a few more per round will really make a difference.
Much to work on for the summer but I did hole some nice ones today and the putt on 18 was tricky so that was nice to finish..
Tour average is only about 50% from 8 feet so it's not like you're missing sitters.
Edited by AndrewT1275 on Thursday 2nd March 21:16
AndrewT1275 said:
RayDonovan said:
This is like therapy
Long distance is OK, but it's more about making my 'fair share' of 3-10ft putts for birdie. Played today, and..
2nd - miss for par (8ft)
4th - miss for par (10ft)
5ft - miss for birdie (7ft)
12th - miss for par (10ft)
14th - miss for birdie (7ft)
17th - lipped out for birdie (10ft)
18th - holed from 8ft - birdie
I'm still shooting around +3/+4 gross but the scores can be much better. I'm not expecting to hole everything I see, but a few more per round will really make a difference.
Much to work on for the summer but I did hole some nice ones today and the putt on 18 was tricky so that was nice to finish..
I assume all those 7-10 footers are first putts, i.e. you aren't leaving your long putts that far from the hole?Long distance is OK, but it's more about making my 'fair share' of 3-10ft putts for birdie. Played today, and..
2nd - miss for par (8ft)
4th - miss for par (10ft)
5ft - miss for birdie (7ft)
12th - miss for par (10ft)
14th - miss for birdie (7ft)
17th - lipped out for birdie (10ft)
18th - holed from 8ft - birdie
I'm still shooting around +3/+4 gross but the scores can be much better. I'm not expecting to hole everything I see, but a few more per round will really make a difference.
Much to work on for the summer but I did hole some nice ones today and the putt on 18 was tricky so that was nice to finish..
Tour average is only about 50% from 8 feet so it's not like you're missing sitters.
Edited by AndrewT1275 on Thursday 2nd March 21:16
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