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DuncanM said:
Something not quite right with the numbers there, 200 carry for 161 ball speed is terrible. What do you see when actually playing? Obviously you are super steep if 6deg launch?
It was the lowest of the session in fairness and was a bit of a strange contact - caught it slightly out the toe and it went off with what felt like zero spin. More typical was about 9 degrees of launch for 220-230. On the course with rollout it's more like 270 - 280 depending on conditions. However it was TopTracer with reduced flight balls and I'm pretty sure I saw the ball drop 20 yards up the range from where the Tracer had it, so the numbers may not be that accurate
Only thing I've noticed with my lessons is I am 6 in now and we haven't touched my Driver - think he is working on straightening up the swing first (with good results I must say). Hopefully we'll get on Trackman with my Driver next lesson and see what's what.
bodhi said:
It was the lowest of the session in fairness and was a bit of a strange contact - caught it slightly out the toe and it went off with what felt like zero spin. More typical was about 9 degrees of launch for 220-230. On the course with rollout it's more like 270 - 280 depending on conditions.
However it was TopTracer with reduced flight balls and I'm pretty sure I saw the ball drop 20 yards up the range from where the Tracer had it, so the numbers may not be that accurate
Only thing I've noticed with my lessons is I am 6 in now and we haven't touched my Driver - think he is working on straightening up the swing first (with good results I must say). Hopefully we'll get on Trackman with my Driver next lesson and see what's what.
Sounds more like it, look forward to your update once you've had a dog lesson, as I imagine you'll be gaining a decent amount of carry. However it was TopTracer with reduced flight balls and I'm pretty sure I saw the ball drop 20 yards up the range from where the Tracer had it, so the numbers may not be that accurate
Only thing I've noticed with my lessons is I am 6 in now and we haven't touched my Driver - think he is working on straightening up the swing first (with good results I must say). Hopefully we'll get on Trackman with my Driver next lesson and see what's what.
DuncanM said:
bodhi said:
It was the lowest of the session in fairness and was a bit of a strange contact - caught it slightly out the toe and it went off with what felt like zero spin. More typical was about 9 degrees of launch for 220-230. On the course with rollout it's more like 270 - 280 depending on conditions.
However it was TopTracer with reduced flight balls and I'm pretty sure I saw the ball drop 20 yards up the range from where the Tracer had it, so the numbers may not be that accurate
Only thing I've noticed with my lessons is I am 6 in now and we haven't touched my Driver - think he is working on straightening up the swing first (with good results I must say). Hopefully we'll get on Trackman with my Driver next lesson and see what's what.
Sounds more like it, look forward to your update once you've had a dog lesson, as I imagine you'll be gaining a decent amount of carry. However it was TopTracer with reduced flight balls and I'm pretty sure I saw the ball drop 20 yards up the range from where the Tracer had it, so the numbers may not be that accurate
Only thing I've noticed with my lessons is I am 6 in now and we haven't touched my Driver - think he is working on straightening up the swing first (with good results I must say). Hopefully we'll get on Trackman with my Driver next lesson and see what's what.
You could/should be seeing 'carry' of around 260 yards. Tee it up, move the ball forward and make sure your AOA is positive.
Hobo said:
DuncanM said:
bodhi said:
It was the lowest of the session in fairness and was a bit of a strange contact - caught it slightly out the toe and it went off with what felt like zero spin. More typical was about 9 degrees of launch for 220-230. On the course with rollout it's more like 270 - 280 depending on conditions.
However it was TopTracer with reduced flight balls and I'm pretty sure I saw the ball drop 20 yards up the range from where the Tracer had it, so the numbers may not be that accurate
Only thing I've noticed with my lessons is I am 6 in now and we haven't touched my Driver - think he is working on straightening up the swing first (with good results I must say). Hopefully we'll get on Trackman with my Driver next lesson and see what's what.
Sounds more like it, look forward to your update once you've had a dog lesson, as I imagine you'll be gaining a decent amount of carry. However it was TopTracer with reduced flight balls and I'm pretty sure I saw the ball drop 20 yards up the range from where the Tracer had it, so the numbers may not be that accurate
Only thing I've noticed with my lessons is I am 6 in now and we haven't touched my Driver - think he is working on straightening up the swing first (with good results I must say). Hopefully we'll get on Trackman with my Driver next lesson and see what's what.
You could/should be seeing 'carry' of around 260 yards. Tee it up, move the ball forward and make sure your AOA is positive.
I'll be honest I think I'm probably pushing what TopTracer is capable of - anyone know any ranges with Trackman range within 30-45 mins of Stafford?
bodhi said:
Tried a slightly higher tee and tried to keep my spine behind the ball - getting there I'd say.
I'll be honest I think I'm probably pushing what TopTracer is capable of - anyone know any ranges with Trackman range within 30-45 mins of Stafford?
What does your 7 iron launch at on a good strike? I'll be honest I think I'm probably pushing what TopTracer is capable of - anyone know any ranges with Trackman range within 30-45 mins of Stafford?
What’s the loft on your driver? Do you strike it low on the face generally?
If you were launching that at 14 degrees, retaining the same ball speed and not spinning it crazy amounts, that’s carrying a real world 275+.
It would 100% be worth getting on a track man/GC quad range to see your numbers on a proper launch monitor that isn’t making corrections for a crap ball. Preferably using a full distance ball too.
Edited by HaplessBoyLard on Sunday 2nd April 22:16
Edited by HaplessBoyLard on Sunday 2nd April 22:19
bodhi said:
Tried a slightly higher tee and tried to keep my spine behind the ball - getting there I'd say.
I'll be honest I think I'm probably pushing what TopTracer is capable of - anyone know any ranges with Trackman range within 30-45 mins of Stafford?
As others have said it’s you AOA that holding you back. All trackman will do is confirm it. I’ve found that you need to go to the range and get extreme, then dial it back. Try having the tee silly high and way forward in your stance. If not noticeably higher go more extreme until the ball goes too high. The best tip though is at address set your driver 6 inches behind the ball at address and keep that as your low point, trying to get the club to bottom out there. This will ensure you have an upward AOA when you make contact. Don’t worry where the ball goes just work on hitting the ball on the up and figure the rest out when you have that sortedI'll be honest I think I'm probably pushing what TopTracer is capable of - anyone know any ranges with Trackman range within 30-45 mins of Stafford?
Pmifa said:
The best tip though is at address set your driver 6 inches behind the ball at address and keep that as your low point, trying to get the club to bottom out there.
I would totally agree with that. Since taking up this simple tip 3/4 weeks ago my driving has massively changed (for the better). Just wish I'd known about it years ago. HaplessBoyLard said:
What does your 7 iron launch at on a good strike?
What’s the loft on your driver? Do you strike it low on the face generally?
If you were launching that at 14 degrees, retaining the same ball speed and not spinning it crazy amounts, that’s carrying a real world 275+.
It would 100% be worth getting on a track man/GC quad range to see your numbers on a proper launch monitor that isn’t making corrections for a crap ball. Preferably using a full distance ball too.
Latest data I've got for my 7 iron is launching at around 24 degrees and around 115mph ball speed, but that was from back in December and I've made another couple of swing changes since then. Last lesson I was hitting an 8 iron and coach shared the below with me - AoA and Bottom Point look good with that, just need to work on the driver now:What’s the loft on your driver? Do you strike it low on the face generally?
If you were launching that at 14 degrees, retaining the same ball speed and not spinning it crazy amounts, that’s carrying a real world 275+.
It would 100% be worth getting on a track man/GC quad range to see your numbers on a proper launch monitor that isn’t making corrections for a crap ball. Preferably using a full distance ball too.
Edited by HaplessBoyLard on Sunday 2nd April 22:16
Edited by HaplessBoyLard on Sunday 2nd April 22:19
Current Driver is a TS4 set at 10.25 degrees, so a low soon head with a low launch shaft - which admittedly I went for to disguise a couple of swing problems I had at the time. All the strikes I've shared were from the middle of the face, with maybe the first one a little out towards the toe.
I like teeing the ball up so 1/3 to 1/2 of the ball is above the driver face, any higher and I'm putting new marks on my Driver
I usually set up with the ball off my left heel as any further forward gets me a case of the rights. Don't get me wrong I prefer seeing a lower ball flight that bores through the wind and gets some run when it lands - I don't generally encounter forced carries unless I'm at Carden Park - just probably not that low
Next lesson is the day after Easter, so let's see if I can persuade him to have a look at the Driver. He's already gained me 10 yards or so with my irons by getting rid of my flick through contact, so I'm excited to see what we can do there.
bodhi said:
I like teeing the ball up so 1/3 to 1/2 of the ball is above the driver face, any higher and I'm putting new marks on my Driver I usually set up with the ball off my left heel as any further forward gets me a case of the rights. .
As before you need to tee it way higher, have bottom of your ball level with the top of the driver, but set club 6 inch behind. If you don’t, with your AOA, you will probably sky it so put some tape on top of the driver until you are more confident, that way you won’t get sky marks. Then ball position off you middle toe of your left foot, assuming a right hander. Sod losing them right the whole point is to see how it affect launch NOT direction. Go try it with 20 shots and you’ll get launch up, post results though ?? I usually set up with the ball off my left heel as any further forward gets me a case of the rights. . Edited by Pmifa on Monday 3rd April 22:43
bodhi said:
Latest data I've got for my 7 iron is launching at around 24 degrees and around 115mph ball speed, but that was from back in December and I've made another couple of swing changes since then. Last lesson I was hitting an 8 iron and coach shared the below with me - AoA and Bottom Point look good with that, just need to work on the driver now:
Current Driver is a TS4 set at 10.25 degrees, so a low soon head with a low launch shaft - which admittedly I went for to disguise a couple of swing problems I had at the time. All the strikes I've shared were from the middle of the face, with maybe the first one a little out towards the toe.
I like teeing the ball up so 1/3 to 1/2 of the ball is above the driver face, any higher and I'm putting new marks on my Driver I usually set up with the ball off my left heel as any further forward gets me a case of the rights.
Don't get me wrong I prefer seeing a lower ball flight that bores through the wind and gets some run when it lands - I don't generally encounter forced carries unless I'm at Carden Park - just probably not that low
Next lesson is the day after Easter, so let's see if I can persuade him to have a look at the Driver. He's already gained me 10 yards or so with my irons by getting rid of my flick through contact, so I'm excited to see what we can do there.
This is quite strange…you’re presenting a lot of dynamic loft with your 8 iron. Depending on what your irons are and what lofts they have you’re either delofting with your irons a little or not at all, yet somehow are launching driver mega low. For comparison, I deloft my 7 iron around 8 degrees from static to dynamic loft…it’s a 34 degree 7 iron , so I deloft 8 degrees and still launch the ball a bit too high. Current Driver is a TS4 set at 10.25 degrees, so a low soon head with a low launch shaft - which admittedly I went for to disguise a couple of swing problems I had at the time. All the strikes I've shared were from the middle of the face, with maybe the first one a little out towards the toe.
I like teeing the ball up so 1/3 to 1/2 of the ball is above the driver face, any higher and I'm putting new marks on my Driver
I usually set up with the ball off my left heel as any further forward gets me a case of the rights. Don't get me wrong I prefer seeing a lower ball flight that bores through the wind and gets some run when it lands - I don't generally encounter forced carries unless I'm at Carden Park - just probably not that low
Next lesson is the day after Easter, so let's see if I can persuade him to have a look at the Driver. He's already gained me 10 yards or so with my irons by getting rid of my flick through contact, so I'm excited to see what we can do there.
I’d love to see your driver numbers on a trackman or GC quad, or anything that tracks the club head. A few people have mentioned AoA, but I don’t think that’s the whole story. It’s completely possible to hit up but still launch the ball low by striking it low on the face or by presenting too little loft at impact (but it doesn’t look like you deloft your irons).
From what you describe with your driver setup it’s hard to imagine you’re hitting down unless you’re throwing your shoulders open from the top, standing the club up and swinging hard left and down. If you’re not hitting a spinny cut with driver you probably aren’t doing that either.
Pmifa said:
As before you need to tee it way higher, have bottom of your ball level with the top of the driver, but set club 6 inch behind. If you don’t, with your AOA, you will probably sky it so put some tape on top of the driver until you are more confident, that way you won’t get sky marks. Then ball position off you middle toe of your left foot, assuming a right hander. Sod losing them right the whole point is to see how it affect launch NOT direction. Go try it with 20 shots and you’ll get launch up, post results though ??
Edited by Pmifa on Monday 3rd April 22:43
I hit up with driver a bit, maybe 2 degrees, but teeing the ball up that high would give me the heebeejeebies.
Yeah to be fair I teed up for years with the ball way too low but as in golf it became normal and I thought it was high enough, but it wasn’t. Teeing up up way higher transformed my launch, accuracy and most of all carry and roll out. Now it just feels normal again and has become a habit. What is interesting is that if I go back to my lower tee height I still launch it way higher than previously so by teeing it up high I’ve become accustomed to hitting slightly up, even on a lower tee
HaplessBoyLard said:
This is quite strange…you’re presenting a lot of dynamic loft with your 8 iron. Depending on what your irons are and what lofts they have you’re either delofting with your irons a little or not at all, yet somehow are launching driver mega low. For comparison, I deloft my 7 iron around 8 degrees from static to dynamic loft…it’s a 34 degree 7 iron , so I deloft 8 degrees and still launch the ball a bit too high.
I’d love to see your driver numbers on a trackman or GC quad, or anything that tracks the club head. A few people have mentioned AoA, but I don’t think that’s the whole story. It’s completely possible to hit up but still launch the ball low by striking it low on the face or by presenting too little loft at impact (but it doesn’t look like you deloft your irons).
From what you describe with your driver setup it’s hard to imagine you’re hitting down unless you’re throwing your shoulders open from the top, standing the club up and swinging hard left and down. If you’re not hitting a spinny cut with driver you probably aren’t doing that either.
My irons are Nike VR Pros, and a quick Google into the past suggests my 8 iron is at 39 degrees, so I'd agree I'm not delofting it massively at all. For reference those numbers were from the end of a lesson where we tried to fix my ball striking after the other changes we've made. One of the big ones has been to work on my impact position, which was a bit too open and I was adding loft, typically resulting in a high fade. I’d love to see your driver numbers on a trackman or GC quad, or anything that tracks the club head. A few people have mentioned AoA, but I don’t think that’s the whole story. It’s completely possible to hit up but still launch the ball low by striking it low on the face or by presenting too little loft at impact (but it doesn’t look like you deloft your irons).
From what you describe with your driver setup it’s hard to imagine you’re hitting down unless you’re throwing your shoulders open from the top, standing the club up and swinging hard left and down. If you’re not hitting a spinny cut with driver you probably aren’t doing that either.
What I suspect is happening is that I am translating the drill he showed me with an 8 iron to my Driver and delofting it a little too much. Add in the low spin head and low launch shaft (TS4 with EvenFlow White 6.5) and as a result hitting it a bit on the low side. Next lesson is on Tuesday, so I will push to get on Trackman with Driver and report back.
RayDonovan said:
Toptracer numbers are generally all over the place. I think they're very sensitive to the elements and general set up.
Best finding somewhere with a TrackMan that you can hire if you do need some proper numbers. For a quick range session TT is OK..
Toptracer Monitor ball speed triangulated and work out distance....nothing more than a speed camera.Best finding somewhere with a TrackMan that you can hire if you do need some proper numbers. For a quick range session TT is OK..
bodhi said:
My irons are Nike VR Pros, and a quick Google into the past suggests my 8 iron is at 39 degrees, so I'd agree I'm not delofting it massively at all. For reference those numbers were from the end of a lesson where we tried to fix my ball striking after the other changes we've made. One of the big ones has been to work on my impact position, which was a bit too open and I was adding loft, typically resulting in a high fade.
What I suspect is happening is that I am translating the drill he showed me with an 8 iron to my Driver and delofting it a little too much. Add in the low spin head and low launch shaft (TS4 with EvenFlow White 6.5) and as a result hitting it a bit on the low side. Next lesson is on Tuesday, so I will push to get on Trackman with Driver and report back.
Riiigght…that’s a weak lofted 8 iron by todays standards! 1 deg weaker than mine. What you’re saying makes a fair bit on sense now. What I suspect is happening is that I am translating the drill he showed me with an 8 iron to my Driver and delofting it a little too much. Add in the low spin head and low launch shaft (TS4 with EvenFlow White 6.5) and as a result hitting it a bit on the low side. Next lesson is on Tuesday, so I will push to get on Trackman with Driver and report back.
Get your hands leading even a touch with driver and take a bit of loft off and that’s definitely a recipe for low launch with the driver you’re using. If you happen to be hitting up while delivering less than the static loft of the driver and that’s not going to spin much (strike dependant), so it won’t climb that much either.
Definitely report back. I love chatting launch monitors and the numbers
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