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DodgyGeezer

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Saturday 11th March 2023
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what's the biggest losing margin vs France?

DodgyGeezer

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Saturday 11th March 2023
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I have to say I thought that we'd gain some measure of parity in the scrum (given France are on their 3rd choice prop) but.... <le sigh>

DodgyGeezer

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Saturday 11th March 2023
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Hill92 said:
Leithen said:
50+ has to be on.
18 more for 10-66 hehe
hehe

DodgyGeezer

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Saturday 11th March 2023
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can I say that I can't see Ireland doing that to us? Please... pretty please

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DodgyGeezer

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cherryowen said:
I'm half happy with the win against Italy, but - IMO - it really was a case of Italy losing the game rather than Wales winning it.
Crawley would take issue...

https://www.rugbydump.com/news/italy-head-coach-ki...

DodgyGeezer

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Sunday 12th March 2023
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bigothunter said:
cherryowen said:
He may have a point, however - for me - the Italians showed flair and inventiveness mid-field and in open play only to st themselves when in the Welsh 22.
Victory was there for Italy's taking. Unfortunately they gave it away frown
Agreed on both points

DodgyGeezer

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DodgyGeezer

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Sunday 12th March 2023
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greygoose said:
abzmike said:
DodgyGeezer said:
Grim reading for the English players as they hit the hay…
The player ratings for the French side seemed a bit harsh to me here , only one player got a 9, I would have thought that at least 3 or 4 reached that level.
this is even more grim reading for the English players.... https://www.planetrugby.com/news/england-player-ra...


'Amusingly' I was reading a typically English piece on how Smith was dreadful/should have been Ford on and we looked better after fazlet came on... totally ignoring the fact that we shipped just as many points with him on as before...

Edited by DodgyGeezer on Sunday 12th March 10:29

DodgyGeezer

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Sunday 12th March 2023
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to be fair SB only had so much he could change thanks to the agreement with the clubs (from memory it was 5 players?). I'm not saying that there are a wealth of better players in the prem (I have no idea) but I do wonder if post RWC we'll see a lot of new faces rather than the current bunch of faeces.

It strikes me that at this point Dombrant seems to be not up to the required standard, though in fairness it's hard to tell who is and isn't at the moment as there is no structure. Would Mercer slot in or would he be found out at top level? Who's behind Smith/Fazlet/Ford? If Steward gets injured who's next up? Where are our centres? etc etc etc

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Sunday 12th March 2023
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Boom78 said:
Who have England got pushing for a centre jersey? Who is the young confident steady hands coming through at 10? Where are all the quick talented 9s? Why are we in the state we are? Probably because our clubs and regions are capped to less than £5m a year compared to Leinster (£11m) and French teams (£15m to £30m). We’re not at the races frown
I seem to recall that I read somewhere that something like half of the 15 highest paid rugby players are English...

DodgyGeezer

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Sunday 12th March 2023
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abzmike said:
There is little point in England picking the same or close to same 15 for the Ireland game - they have consistently underperformed over the past 2 or more years - what’s to be learned? That for some reason it isn’t working, again? Freshen the team with 8 or 9 newish faces. If they get thumped then nothing lost in the long run, but may uncover a few diamonds. The English pool of players is huge, so time to use it.
sadly for us we're not allowed to do that - at the moment



Gweeds said:
Ireland by 10. At least.
possibly double that

DodgyGeezer

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Sunday 12th March 2023
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what a let-off for Scotland!

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Gweeds said:
This is an excellent context.

England are in big trouble next week
this is the concern. If Ireland had walked it they might have been complacent against us... 'sadly' this is a proper tussle today. I am not really looking forward to next week yes

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Sunday 12th March 2023
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DocJock said:
Perhaps we have different definitions of world class, imo they are few and far between. Current England players who are world class? IMO Steward and Itoje, perhaps Genge.
FS is class but is he better than the others in his position? I suspect that his biggest failing is (ironically) the same as Mike Brown, he's not blessed with speed. MI for some reason seems to have fallen off the pace recently (mind you it must be hard to maintain the form he had over the years). EG actually seems to have gotten a fair bit better, and is still improving - still others ahead of him though

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Sunday 12th March 2023
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C70R said:
How do you reconcile that with them looking so poor against a really bad Welsh side? They were barely in the game...
they didn't have the rub of the green from the ref in fairness - though (and it pains me to say it) the Taffs did deserve their win

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Monday 13th March 2023
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Portofino said:
I’m scared about the tonking England will get in Dublin at the weekend……
I think it'll be a toss up between who is more worried for this weekend - us or the Taffs!! eek I'll go with us

DodgyGeezer

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Tuesday 14th March 2023
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One thing that does worry is the amount of stick Smith seems to be coming in for. Just as when things go well it's not all him when things are a disaster he's not to blame either. We could have had Phil Bennett or Dan Carter at 10 and it'd have made no difference....

I can see fazlet/Ford on Saturday

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Tuesday 14th March 2023
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C70R said:
epom said:
Alickadoo said:
Gweeds said:
First name begins with B
Brian Moore?
Bavid Flatman?
Brian O'Driscoll ?
Bhane Williams?
Buart Starnes? Actually, although I appreciate I'm in the minority, I do like him.

DodgyGeezer

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Wednesday 15th March 2023
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XCP said:
English rugby is club based, as is Welsh. Irish and Scottish is not.
I guess the Irish and Scots realised that their existing clubs were not very good and set about creating regions that were.

Hence we get small town clubs like Gloucester, Exeter, Northampton etc competing in Europe against teams like Leinster, which is virtually the Irish team. And doing so under a salary cap of course.
I thought that one the issues the Welsh had is that they're NOT club based, whilst being very tribal with the regions that replaced the clubs?