Italian Club Ruling - what happened?!

[ZR1cliff]

Chuffin heck,this is serious.
And i thought this would all get swept under the carpet.

[puggit]

Will Juve manage to avoid relegation with a 30 point deduction?!

[ZR1cliff]

puggit said:

Will Juve manage to avoid relegation with a 30 point deduction?!

Depends on how their players take it,if they stay they could weather the storm but if they end up being a load of prima donnas then Juventus could struggle further.

Edited by ZR1cliff on Friday 14th July 21:12

[tuscansix]

Although it will be interesting to see what happens after the clubs appeal. Will the judgement be overturned.

[focusonme]

ZR1cliff said:

puggit said:

Will Juve manage to avoid relegation with a 30 point deduction?!

Depends on how their players take it,if they stay they could weather the storm but if they end up being a load of prima donnas then Juventus could struggle further.

Edited by ZR1cliff on Friday 14th July 21:12

I think it's a bit harsh calling any players wanting to leave a "prima donna". These guys are professional footballers, they're among the best in the world, and there is no way they should be playing in the 2nd division. Quite apart from the money issue, it makes no sense from a career perspective - they only have a limited time in which to ply their trade, and they shouldn't waste any of that time in the lower leagues.

With some good management and strong loyalty from the youth players, we might see Juve back on top in four or five years. But in reality, they're going to have to rescale the club so that it can afford to keep running on the money available in the 2nd division. So, bye bye Juventus, you bunch of cheating Italian scum.

[ZR1cliff]

focusonme said:

ZR1cliff said:

puggit said:

Will Juve manage to avoid relegation with a 30 point deduction?!

Depends on how their players take it,if they stay they could weather the storm but if they end up being a load of prima donnas then Juventus could struggle further.

Edited by ZR1cliff on Friday 14th July 21:12

I think it's a bit harsh calling any players wanting to leave a "prima donna". These guys are professional footballers, they're among the best in the world, and there is no way they should be playing in the 2nd division.

Yep point taken.

focusonme said:

So, bye bye Juventus, you bunch of cheating Italian scum.

Pot,Kettle,Black.

Edited by ZR1cliff on Friday 14th July 21:39

[v15ben]

Very interesting this one and good to see this result with corruption and nepotism actually dealt with instead of going under the rug!
If these teams are out of the Champions League, who takes their places then??

[Antony Moxey]

Presumably the next clubs in line in Serie A. Also, it appears to be a reprieve for the bottom three clubs too, who now won't be relegated.

[killer2005]

Champions league qualifiers are now Inter, Roma, Chievo, and Palermo. With Livorno, Empoli and Parma all going into UEFA cup. Although, Empoli are apparently refusing to take up the UEFA cup spot, and the next placed team who would take this spot is Milan, so there's still a bit to be sorted otu

[robdickinson]

I'd guess that 30 points will be reduced on appeal.

Otherwise there very likely to get religated, they'd need 76 points just to stay up (or so). Competing against some other seria A teams now too...

Its possibly worse than seria C religation with no points penalty. Absolutly no hope of promotion with a -30 point start.

[aranell]

ZR1cliff said:

Depends on how their players take it,if they stay they could weather the storm but if they end up being a load of prima donnas then Juventus could struggle further.

First time they've ever been demoted from Serie A, doh!
It will be interesting to see which players stay and which go. Del Piero, for instance, when he first got to play 1st team football stated that ever since he was a kid he wanted to play with Juve, and that he wouldn't consider transferring to any other club. With the prospect of potential Serie B football for the next two seasons....is he going to conviniently forget that statement or not

[Venom]

aranell said:

Del Piero, for instance, when he first got to play 1st team football stated that ever since he was a kid he wanted to play with Juve, and that he wouldn't consider transferring to any other club. With the prospect of potential Serie B football for the next two seasons....is he going to conviniently forget that statement or not

Apparently Del Piero has already come out and said he's staying whatever. Good for him, there are far too many mercenaries in football these days. If he truly is a Juve fan then it would probably mean a lot to him to be a key part of the side that got them back up.
And of course it has nothing to do with him being a)past it, b)on a fat salary and c)unlikely to get an almost guaranteed start at any other club.....

[puggit]

Venom said:

aranell said:

Del Piero, for instance, when he first got to play 1st team football stated that ever since he was a kid he wanted to play with Juve, and that he wouldn't consider transferring to any other club. With the prospect of potential Serie B football for the next two seasons....is he going to conviniently forget that statement or not

Apparently Del Piero has already come out and said he's staying whatever. Good for him, there are far too many mercenaries in football these days. If he truly is a Juve fan then it would probably mean a lot to him to be a key part of the side that got them back up.
And of course it has nothing to do with him being a)past it, b)on a fat salary and c)unlikely to get an almost guaranteed start at any other club.....

He will however leave Juve as an official certified demi-god...

[Venom]

puggit said:

He will however leave Juve as an official certified demi-god...

Very true. Sad really, he was a great, great player a few years ago before the injuries took their toll. Still pops up with the odd goal, but nothing like as good as he once was.

[puggit]

All change

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/footb

bbc said:

Punishments cut for Italian clubs

The Italian clubs implicated in a match-fixing scandal have had their punishments slashed on appeal.

Lazio and Fiorentina have been reinstated to Serie A - but with points deductions increased from 12 to 19 for Fiorentina and seven to 11 for Lazio.

Juventus' hopes of overturning demotion to Serie B were dashed, but instead of starting on minus 30 points, they have only had 17 points taken away.

AC Milan stay in Serie A with their penalty cut from 15 points to eight.

Milan have also been allowed to play in the Champions League qualifying rounds this season - having originally been barred from Europe.

But the Italian Football Federation (FIGC) sports court upheld the decision to strip Juventus of their last two Serie A titles.

The court also confirmed the five-year bans for former Juventus executives Luciano Moggi and Antonio Giraudo - the figures at the centre of the scandal.

In addition, Juventus and Fiorentina were told they must play their first three home games of the 2006-07 campaigns at neutral grounds. Lazio were given a two-match stadium ban and Milan one match.

The original punishments were handed out to the disgraced clubs by a Rome tribunal just five days after Italy won the World Cup.

All four clubs implicated denied the accusations.

Their appeals were held by the FIGC sports court in a Rome hotel on Tuesday, and fans of local club Lazio gathered in their hundreds outside to cheer the decision to promote the team back to Serie A.


Juventus are now the only one of the four implicated clubs to be demoetd to Serie B, and the Turin club immediately said on Tuesday evening they would now appeal again - possibly through a civil court if necessary.

Juve's club lawyer Cesare Zaccone told Italian news agency Ansa the appeal court's decision was "incredible."

The scandal was uncovered as a result of a criminal investigation which was launched before the start of the 2004-05 season by the Naples prosecutors' office.

Telephone conversations between former Juventus general manager Luciano Moggi and an official in charge of refereeing appointments were tapped.

Uefa had extended its own deadline for national associations to submit the teams which will play European football this season - to allow Italy to sort out this saga.

Now Italy's representatives in the Champions League will be Inter Milan, Roma, Chievo and AC Milan. The Uefa Cup teams will be Palermo, Livorno and Parma.

The big losers from the appeal decisions are Lecce and Treviso.

The bottom two clubs in Serie A last season, they were reinstated to Serie A along with 18th-placed Messina after the original verdict.

But now Fiorentina and Lazio are back in Serie A, Lecce and Treviso will be relegated after all. Messina stay up, taking Juventus' place in the top-flight, although they will now fear the Turin club's next appeal.

Edited by puggit on Tuesday 25th July 21:04

[robdickinson]

heh well now theres a suprise, money payed, job done...

[monkeyhanger]

They'll chip away at the verdict until Juve get an automatic Serie A title and Lazio and Firoentina both make it to the Champions League Final without playing a game

[antony moxey]

puggit said:

Juventus are now the only one of the four implicated clubs to be demoetd to Serie B, and the Turin club immediately said on Tuesday evening they would now appeal again - possibly through a civil court if necessary.

So just how many times can you appeal before someone says 'fcuk off and live with it, end of'? Couldn't Juventus effectively suspend their league and the European trophies for years (in that before the ban they were legible to play in the Champions' League, so surely that competition cannot go ahead if they are under appeal - what if the umpteenth tribunal finally rules in their favour?).