Cricket one-dayers and 20/20
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I noticed Nixon standing up to the wicket with Anderson bowling so someone doesn't think much of the other 
Nixon looked the consummate professional to me, doesn't help win the games against us but sure makes it harder
Can we swap Tony Greig for the Both ?
I'm sick of hearing a Sarth Ifrikan barracking for England, prefer the real whinging
Nixon looked the consummate professional to me, doesn't help win the games against us but sure makes it harder
Can we swap Tony Greig for the Both ?
I'm sick of hearing a Sarth Ifrikan barracking for England, prefer the real whinging
308gt4 said:
I noticed Nixon standing up to the wicket with Anderson bowling so someone doesn't think much of the other
Nixon looked the consummate professional to me, doesn't help win the games against us but sure makes it harder
Nixon looked the consummate professional to me, doesn't help win the games against us but sure makes it harder
He has played more 20/20 games than any other pro cricketer has Nixon - he is as tough as they come - pity we didn't play him at 26 instead of 36 but then we had Alec Stewart who opened as well as kept so he was never going to get a chance. He's suited to the one-day game as he can bang a bit as well as keep standing up which a) may stop people walking down the wicket all the time ala Hayden and b) he keep chattering in the batsman's earhole.
You can be sure that at 36 he knows this is probably his only chance so he's taking it ... I hope we take him to the World Cup to be honest ... if only cos he gets teammates going a bit and makes sure they won't slck in the field. He deserves his chance. I'd rather have him on my side than not if you see what I mean - although I'd take Gilly in a straight swap!
Just waiting for UnRep who is probably not looking at this thread on purpose cos he's gonna watch the highlights later -
Unrep - makes sure you watch the first 15 minutes of the half hour programme MikeyT said:
Correct, so are you just gonna take the piss again
or be more constructive this time round?Come on lads.. just takin the MIKEY(T) again, lets not get too serious early doors.
After all, 20/20 is pure spectator value - TBH a side has just as much chance of curlin up the toes for 80 odd as they do of getting 200 - lots of luck & opportunism make it an unpredictable affair. In a nutshull, you guys must be a bit down on yrselves (bit sloppy in the feild, ashes flogging etc) & the Oz lads are in better form than ever, after the ashes thier feeling higher than Joe Cocker & seeing the aggot like its a phuckin basketball! Great entertainment for sure & no serious offence intended to anyone BTW.
Furthermore I agree with the Nixon comment below.. give the blokea chance, he's got nuffin to lose & will add a whole lot of much needed attitude to the English limited overs side. I reckon he'll finish his career with a bang and his vintage shouldn't hurt - not too much running needed when yr sat up to the timber!
hsvgtscoupe said:
Furthermore I agree with the Nixon comment below.. give the blokea chance, he's got nuffin to lose & will add a whole lot of much needed attitude to the English limited overs side. I reckon he'll finish his career with a bang and his vintage shouldn't hurt - not too much running needed when yr sat up to the timber!
You know for an Aussie you're good value
you were pretty good last night too xxhsvgtscoupe said:
[quote=MikeyT]After all, 20/20 is pure spectator value - TBH a side has just as much chance of curlin up the toes for 80 odd as they do of getting 200
I think you'll find it was 79 all-out I've still got the pictures and headlines pinned up next to my desk. Wonder what the bookies odds on England not winning anything all tour were/are
Fkin unreal. All winter we've been screaming at Jimmy Anderson to pitch it up on a good length to no avail. Here where we need him to bowl back of a length he pitches it up.
Notice that the Aussie batsmen went down the ground against the spinners hitting them over the top in the vee? What do our guys do? Reverse sweep ffs.
Lets face it we're hopeless at 1 day cricket.
The most disappointing thing for me though was Kevin Pietersens reaction after he dropped that easy catch off Jimmy Anderson. Harwood dropped one and you could see he was gutted. Pietersons reaction was to laugh. There encapsulated in one moment you have the difference between the sides. Until it means as much to our guys as it does to theirs we've no chance.
Notice that the Aussie batsmen went down the ground against the spinners hitting them over the top in the vee? What do our guys do? Reverse sweep ffs.
Lets face it we're hopeless at 1 day cricket.
The most disappointing thing for me though was Kevin Pietersens reaction after he dropped that easy catch off Jimmy Anderson. Harwood dropped one and you could see he was gutted. Pietersons reaction was to laugh. There encapsulated in one moment you have the difference between the sides. Until it means as much to our guys as it does to theirs we've no chance.
unrepentant said:
The most disappointing thing for me though was Kevin Pietersens reaction after he dropped that easy catch off Jimmy Anderson. Harwood dropped one and you could see he was gutted. Pietersons reaction was to laugh. There encapsulated in one moment you have the difference between the sides. Until it means as much to our guys as it does to theirs we've no chance.
I think you're being a bit unfair there UnRep - if it had been early on and Ponting (like the Lewis one) that would have been different - didn't see Lewis laughing - that *would* have told you something but this was in the last over - he'd dropped a dolly and was walking back to the bayng Aussie crowd and the absurdity of it all suddenly overcame over him - it was the right human emotion he showed - they were 200+ by then and his reaction at that point I think was ok. Gilly in the first over though, if he dropped him and so much as smirked I'd be throwing things at the TV set.
Harwood's on the other hand was different - it was his debut at aged 32, he was anxious to impress and he'd taken some hammer although he got two early wickets ... his was easier than KP's and he was just plain embarrassed. He'd catch that 999 out of 1000 normally.
The big difference? He's playing for his place (in the squad, let alone the 11) - KP is more secure in the squad than anyone else.
Don't read any more into it than that. Eng were trying out there - it's just that this Aussie team are class from top to bottom. Cameron White - jesus lord. And he's built like a brick sh*thouse - we looked like the couldn't reach the bloody boundary even.
One six was pathetic though - too many dibs and dabs and playing across the line - that bloody reverse sweep - how many got out to that - Dalrymple looked so ungainly when he was out he nearly fell over - in fact he did and was stumped as well IIRC.
They should ban the playing of that shot - remember it cost us the World Cup in 1987 ...
I don't think dropped catches had much to do with the outcome as it is a contest to see who has the bigger sloggers and your lot were just trying this fancy reverse sweep crap (it was obvious Hussey has spent too much time in England as even he kept doing it - he looked much better when he resorted to straight out slogging like the boys before him)
all in all a meaningless game but it did give a few outside ranked Aussies a chance to play for Oz and see how they handle the big time
The ODIs start in a couple of days where I think the England boys will find it a little easier, still won't win but they will be in the game for a longer period
all in all a meaningless game but it did give a few outside ranked Aussies a chance to play for Oz and see how they handle the big time
The ODIs start in a couple of days where I think the England boys will find it a little easier, still won't win but they will be in the game for a longer period
I'm pretty sure it's a given that England aren't as good as Australia at the moment in respect of confidence, ability or general bottle. However, we must be able to get up for the challenge of the Oz ODI's and at least take it to NZ. With the world cup coming up and nothing but one dayers we need to build a team capable of winning again. Having Vaughan back is a massive boost for England and should allow Fred to get back to what he does best.
You have to remember we've just played probably the best cricket team since the vintage Windies of the 80's. Yep, we got panned, but there were also days where we should fight and spirit - chin up lads, we can make this tri-angular final and should be capable of getting to the semi's of the world cup at least!!!!
raying:
And as for 20/20 internationals....keep them as a bit of fun but do we really need ANOTHER world cup?
You have to remember we've just played probably the best cricket team since the vintage Windies of the 80's. Yep, we got panned, but there were also days where we should fight and spirit - chin up lads, we can make this tri-angular final and should be capable of getting to the semi's of the world cup at least!!!!
raying: And as for 20/20 internationals....keep them as a bit of fun but do we really need ANOTHER world cup?
it is bad enough that they base the best cricket team in the world on ODIs
test cricket is the true test of a cricket team but I see the future seems to lie with 20/20 from what I saw the other night, dancing girls, fireworks, etc and a HUGE crowd which I'm sure all the administrators took note of and is why they want a 20/20 WC, plus it keeps the short attention spanned happy
Imagine the world with only 20/20, there would be no bowlers because they are on a hiding to nothing so who would want to be one ??!!
test cricket is the true test of a cricket team but I see the future seems to lie with 20/20 from what I saw the other night, dancing girls, fireworks, etc and a HUGE crowd which I'm sure all the administrators took note of and is why they want a 20/20 WC, plus it keeps the short attention spanned happy
Imagine the world with only 20/20, there would be no bowlers because they are on a hiding to nothing so who would want to be one ??!!
Test cricket will always be the ultimate 'Test' - but ODIs and 20/20 have their place of course - big revenue earners on a regular basis.
And people like going for a drink in the sun after work to watch 20/20 - it's a VERY cheap early evening out - £10 we paid at Leics for about three and a bit hours entertainment.
I think a 20/20 World CUp will be good as entertainment - but that's all it is - entertainment - the stats don't mean as much as they do in Tests or the first class game.
As long as us cricket followers remember that then James Anderson shouldn't feel too bad - wonder if he'll play in the one starting in about four hours
Off to bed now so I can be up v early.
And people like going for a drink in the sun after work to watch 20/20 - it's a VERY cheap early evening out - £10 we paid at Leics for about three and a bit hours entertainment.
I think a 20/20 World CUp will be good as entertainment - but that's all it is - entertainment - the stats don't mean as much as they do in Tests or the first class game.
As long as us cricket followers remember that then James Anderson shouldn't feel too bad - wonder if he'll play in the one starting in about four hours
Off to bed now so I can be up v early.
Still... semi respectable score considering recent form. Based on last game we should get there in about 23 overs!
Nah, seriously, MCG is a big ground so even in this day & age, teams will know there is some work to do to hit 250. We should know in about 45 mins though cos it will be the 1st 15 overs that makes or breaks it for the soap dodgers.. if Gilly gets away early yr in more shit than a duck on a sewage pond! Lets see if the bowlers can stand up for a change huh? Wot's the news on KP btw? I heard he was off to get a scan of his ribs? Guess he aint in the field which is a bummer.
edited to add... Hmmm, seems like Freddy wants to see another 11 per over run rate, 11 off the 1st over & not a shot played OUCH! at least Harmy wont feel so bad now!
Nah, seriously, MCG is a big ground so even in this day & age, teams will know there is some work to do to hit 250. We should know in about 45 mins though cos it will be the 1st 15 overs that makes or breaks it for the soap dodgers.. if Gilly gets away early yr in more shit than a duck on a sewage pond! Lets see if the bowlers can stand up for a change huh? Wot's the news on KP btw? I heard he was off to get a scan of his ribs? Guess he aint in the field which is a bummer.
edited to add... Hmmm, seems like Freddy wants to see another 11 per over run rate, 11 off the 1st over & not a shot played OUCH! at least Harmy wont feel so bad now!
Edited by hsvgtscoupe on Friday 12th January 07:42
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